• diegeticscream[all]🔻@lemmygrad.ml
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    If the Anarchist says they are against the existence of the State, then that makes their desire ultimately the same as ours - a communist mode of production.

    They don’t want what we want. We want a highly efficient, industrialized, centrally administered society, but without “special bodies of armed men” and without class oppression.

    I want bullet trains, I don’t want to barter for dubious insulin.

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      I want bullet trains

      The first word, I, is wrong, when the preceeding sentence is we. Why is a fast train preferred over a slow train, why the rush? Ask your average sporty cyclist, above 16kph(10mph) the effort needed to maintain speed or accelerate increases exponentially due to wind resistance. Same for any vehicle, land, sea, air. On whose clock are you running? The capitalist clock where time is money and money is time?

      What you want and what society needs may be in contradiction. Who decides what society needs? Popular vote, majority rule, experts, politicans, scientists, … everyone?

      We most definitely do not need fast trains, planes, or automobiles. The reason they are available is because they are profitable to someone(s).

      The world better slow down or it is burning itself up

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              No there is a code of conduct among true proletarians and then there is lumpen proletariat that behave like punks and thugs, anti-social and a disgrace among proletarians.

              It has nothing to do with idealism, it has to do with the ability of hiding behind a terminal and anonymity to act as a bully and some tough guy. Not the proletarian way, definitely the petty bourgeois way.

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                No there is a code of conduct among true proletarians and then there is lumpen proletariat that behave like punks and thugs, anti-social and a disgrace among proletarians

                “People who are mean to me are criminals” is fucking absurd. Have you ever had a job? Are you actually a kid?

                You’re here arguing for Anarchism, which means you’re not a comrade and aren’t here in good faith. What is there to be nice about?

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                  I am arguing that criticism must be directed at something objectively, for what it really is, and not paint a subjective picture of what it is to be convenient to you as to serve a display of superiority. I was raised in a country where this myth went around that communists were bad people with rusty cans and came at night and slit your throat, then took your house. This was myth passed as terrorism by the pro-English security forces that were reconstituted after ww2 to terrorize people to stay away or even think of assisting the communist guerilla (previously the resistance to German occupation).

                  The myth went around long enough that people associated being a communist with vicious killers with rusty cans. It is hard to debate with people in support of cold-blooded killers. The reality was pretty much the other way around but there weren’t many people left behind to write an alternative to this “history”, either dead, prisoned, or exiled.

                  Lenin himself spoke about the ethics of criticism and the avoidance of populism, myth fabrication, and convenient propaganda. It serves nobody here to criticize anarchists on false premises, Criticize them for the lack of theoretical framework to support this class struggle they speak about but fail to define within a theoretical framework of their own, the inability to organize massively enough or long enough to matter, the weakness of allowing “others” among them who are in reality anti-communists (the very essence of fascism), the refusal of describing a transition process between capitalist state and classless society, as if it would materialize on its own by destruction of state and economy (social organization which keeps people fed, housed, and protected from social cannibalism).

                  Lack of social organization results in massive death and misery, whether it is an economy or the state overseeing the structure of this economy, or some other form of power structure as militarily organized societies of the distant past. Especially with the population we now have and 50% of it being urbanized it takes organization to get food available to prevent famine or malnutrition. The anarchists fail to propose a specific social organization to replace the economy and the state. They avoid it as if it is the very privilege of parties and centralized power structures. In any case, leading society to an irriversible chaos and deterioration of material conditions is what prevents anarchists from providing an adequate proposal to convince a significant part of the struggling working poor.

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                    1 year ago

                    , and not paint a subjective picture of what it is to be convenient to you as to serve a display of superiority.

                    This is the kind of weird, condescending, shit that I find offensive.

                    You’ve managed to make it through 4 paragraphs, and I’m even more confused as to why you’re talking to me.

                    It seemed like you were arguing for a low-tech, anarchist, society, and now you’re trying to condescend me for not arguing correctly against Anarchism?

                    Lack of social organization results in massive death and misery,

                    This is what I’m trying to illustrate in my original comment. You’re still so fucking fixated on my use of “I” and the specific example of “bullet trains” that you can’t see that.

                    and not paint a subjective picture of what it is to be convenient to you as to serve a display of superiority.

                    Are you saying I’m not allowed to want things? Fuck you, I can have dreams and passion. My dreams are for a high-tech future society that can provide for everyone. That necessitates highly efficient transportation, like bullet trains, as illustrated by current successful Socialist projects.

                    What the fuck is your point?

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          Do you have any clue that in an international political forum your neighborhood’s slang and idioms are just nonsensical waste of bandwidth?

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            Oof, I’m wounded, what happened to that code of conduct? Are you swimming in the muck with me as a punk now?

            I’m saying that you’ve written a lot of meaningless words (long-winded) that say diabetics should die from poorly homemade (bathtub) insulin.

            You’re arguing for a low-tech, Anarchist, society. This amounts to eugenics for people who rely on a high-tech, organized society to live.