To anyone saying we’re an echo-chamber, I’d point them to you as a great example that we do keep around those we disagree with. Wishing you a pleasant day, American!
How can you see that? I was really liking Makan’s effort to generate weekly conversation, then saw yesterday they were banned and had to look back in their history to find this whole thread. I’ve got no dog in this fight as I’m stuck in a region where our only option is a practically defunct DSA chapter so was just floating through the lefty void.
It was because they were rude while defending them (and now I believe the ban is permanent according to the mod logs due to them causing arguments in the Matrix server after this)
I also like Makan, and think they have great contributions.
I’m not an admin, and can’t speak for them. I think there’s something to the temp ban, though. Every party in the U$ is bad in some way, and it’s poor form not to recognize that in some way.
If Makan had just said, “yeah, they’re flawed but they’re the only party around me. I like the work we do here”, that wouldn’t have been a problem.
Just about every criticism that was put forward of CPUSA was warranted (if kind of piled on, and not really relevant to the thread).
Thanks for the link. I admit I’m a fairly quiet DSA member in my area but we def have our flaws too. I am on the mailing list for CPUSA and was looking into starting up a chapter in my area but I’m not sure if the effort that would be needed to put into it would be worth it since it’s a Republican stronghold and even the Dem presence is shit here.
Thank you for pointing this out. I will go one step further and say that it would be a grave error in my view to go around banning comrades because of their association with communist parties whose line we do not, as a whole, approve of. We need to recognize that contradictions are a fact of life under capitalism and even an imperfect org is better than no org. And i am saying this as someone who has quite a negative view of CPUSA based on what i have learned about them so far. We don’t have the numbers to be able to afford to become this exclusionary, ever shrinking echo chamber of what we deem “acceptable” opinions.
To anyone saying we’re an echo-chamber, I’d point them to you as a great example that we do keep around those we disagree with. Wishing you a pleasant day, American!
Edit: I just had to open my mouth, didn’t I?
Well, they’re banned now
Guess I spoke too soon, shame
Just a 3day temp ban, tho
How can you see that? I was really liking Makan’s effort to generate weekly conversation, then saw yesterday they were banned and had to look back in their history to find this whole thread. I’ve got no dog in this fight as I’m stuck in a region where our only option is a practically defunct DSA chapter so was just floating through the lefty void.
It was because they were rude while defending them (and now I believe the ban is permanent according to the mod logs due to them causing arguments in the Matrix server after this)
Gonna check modlog now. Thanks.
It’s in the modlog:
https://lemmygrad.ml/modlog
I also like Makan, and think they have great contributions.
I’m not an admin, and can’t speak for them. I think there’s something to the temp ban, though. Every party in the U$ is bad in some way, and it’s poor form not to recognize that in some way.
If Makan had just said, “yeah, they’re flawed but they’re the only party around me. I like the work we do here”, that wouldn’t have been a problem.
Just about every criticism that was put forward of CPUSA was warranted (if kind of piled on, and not really relevant to the thread).
Thanks for the link. I admit I’m a fairly quiet DSA member in my area but we def have our flaws too. I am on the mailing list for CPUSA and was looking into starting up a chapter in my area but I’m not sure if the effort that would be needed to put into it would be worth it since it’s a Republican stronghold and even the Dem presence is shit here.
Still not justified. “uncivilly defending CPUSA, when everyone else in the conversation had valid points.” Really?
Edit: what baffles me is thinking that banning people will somehow reform them.
Edit2: fixed crucial typo
CPUSA is flawed (like every party in the U$). It’s an odd move to act like they’re above criticism.
Idk why you’d think a temp ban would have no effect on behavior.
Edit-removed typo correction
Thank you for pointing this out. I will go one step further and say that it would be a grave error in my view to go around banning comrades because of their association with communist parties whose line we do not, as a whole, approve of. We need to recognize that contradictions are a fact of life under capitalism and even an imperfect org is better than no org. And i am saying this as someone who has quite a negative view of CPUSA based on what i have learned about them so far. We don’t have the numbers to be able to afford to become this exclusionary, ever shrinking echo chamber of what we deem “acceptable” opinions.
People here aren’t generally banned for association with communist parties