I’ve been hearing that Meta (Facebook) intends to join the fediverse. I have some very big concerns about that, as do apparently many others. There exists a group of instances called the fedipact which will not be federating with Meta, and I was wondering if this instance would be joining. So there is no ambiguity with this post: I have no desire to participate in any instance that is federated with Facebook, and will kindly pass on another Eternal September. Hope that doesn’t come off as aggressive, that’s just where I’m at.
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This is the first that I’m hearing about this and I will need to read into it more. I personally am up for blocking meta instances, though this is something that I will need to consult with the community and instance users first before taking action. For the moment I’m focusing on server updates/stability etc. Once I’m happy with how everything is running I will come back and consult with everyone how we would like to approach this. I will always consult the community before making instance defining decisions such as this.
I’m perfectly fine with blocking Meta, any megacorp really, but Meta especially. I have relatives who are still unvaccinated and afraid of 5G radio towers because of some nonsense they read on Facebook.
So even after all the people dropping dead from the vax you’re still for it… Interesting.
We know what Meta is, how they operate, how they collect and abuse data, how they prioritize ad revenue over user experience, how they’ve abused and manipulated elections, how they center whiteness, etc. What is there to wait and see?
Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS
[Redacted Friend’s Name]: What? How’d you manage that one?
Zuck: People just submitted it.
Zuck: I don’t know why.
Zuck: They “trust me”
Zuck: Dumb f–ks.
I’m with you on Meta not being welcome in the fediverse. u/masquenox made a comment that explains why really well here: https://lemmy.world/comment/854031
Really liked the final comment.
I do still hold the view blocking them isn’t the right answer, maybe its needless optimism, I understand the idea of meta developing it’s own fork, but if you can already have this many people agreeing to blovk them I feel a condition could already be negotiated (like instances will inly federate if the code is open source) instead of blocking outright. I feel this is the nuclear option and there are still unexplored solutions.
Problem for me is that, I don’t like an image of the fediverse where we just block any big service that comes our way, we all stand more to gain if we manage to get federating right, even if it requires putting up conditions for that federation to be done.
Also I don’t think mastodon or the fediverse at large would not survive one of those services suddenly defederating (or violating the hypothetical condition, thus for ing everyone to block them), this is probably where my hopeless optimism comes into play, but the community already built here is pretty tech savvy and we are already at numbers capable of self sustaining, I feel the community would not die out if we loose access to whatever one of those big services was offering.
Still this federation shouldn’t affect lemmy that much since it’s geared towards mastodon like microblogging services right now, so I will stand by whatever this community decides.
With the financial resources at its disposal, Meta is an a position to dominate the rest of the Fediverse. It is technically true that an open source project allows people to set up their own instances and migrate, but there are a great many ways in which the rest of the Fediverse could become dependent on the single largest player, especially because Meta’s closed-source, for-profit, data-mining operation is inimical to everything the Fediverse stands for. Even if people are only on Mastodon and not on Facebook, if Facebook can connect to them, it increases Facebook’s value, and it decreases the incentive to break free. In addition, money corrupts. Do I want my friends on Facebook to be able to connect with the Fediverse? Of course. But am I interested in accomplishing it by allowing ourselves to become remoras on the belly of the Great White Meta Shark? Not really. Of course, the beauty of the Fediverse is that people can choose for themselves, but I vote to defederate. Those who ride the back of the tiger all too often end up inside. Mark Zuckerberg, please go ruin someone else’s day.
Thanks for posting this! I had no idea. I’m 100% for blocking any and all Meta instances! Zuckerberg and his greedy hands can suck it
I don’t want Meta or the Zuck to benefit in any way from any work I do posting on the fediverse.
Eh, like in the previous hread about defederating from Burggit I’m against defederating in general. Heck I picked this instance in particular because it wasn’t blocking anyone and wasn’t blocked by anyone, so it gave me the most flexibility in what I could see.
I’d change my position if and when Meta makes any proprietary changes to the protocol or seemingly intentional “misimplementations” of it that impact interoperability.
same, but i have to add
I’d change my position if and when Meta makes any proprietary changes to the protocol or seemingly intentional “misimplementations” of it that impact interoperability.
This implies that the problem will come after they try to change anything. However, there are many things they can do without changing the protocol.
- With their growth in population they can create centralized communities that others will follow or try to participate in. This ecosystem, once acquired, can be ransomed for favors. What happens when Facebook implies, not through an announcement but through precedent, that anyone who doesn’t defederate Burggit will lose access to certain communities that are now big enough to be “core” communities?
- Other stuff I can’t be bothered to type but can be summed up as “through sheer size and force, their power will grow until their reach is so deep entrenched into our lair, that our walls will turn to acid and our halls the beast’s stomach.”
that having been said, i couldn’t give two shits about meta so i don’t think we should be preemptively trying to defederate without even thinking about it thoroughly. I’m personally, similarly to you, here cuz I don’t want defederations to happen. Hopefully we stay free. :)
Enjoy your corporations and hate speech then!
Why do you think I’m here if not for that? 😎😎 I come for the promise of being threatened with genocide and slavery for being a minority. If not for that I’d be on Reddit, being safe and all! No, being abused has its own joys in life and I am not one to be left out.
Came to add exactly this! I looked at a table of instances and only considered ones that had few blocks when I was signing up. I’m not sure if I should be so quick to turn around on that principle unless there’s a concrete reason too.
Same, if needed, I want to be the one doing the blocking. It’s not like I’m averae to the idea of blocking, but I like being the one shaping what I can see and what I won’t
The thing is a database can be used from different applications, so it can have a normal lemmy/mastodon instance working on it and other applications that only read and analyze data.
If meta is putting it’s dirty hands on this it’s to male profit and violate our privacy. If we federate with it it will have access to our data as well to analyze. I dont want that.
