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Lol consumer reports
“EV’s are less reliable”
“of course they have all the new tech!”
“toyota introduces new tech and they aren’t unreliable?”
“HERESY!”
This can’t be right, electric cars have a lot less moving parts than gas cars. I get that a lot of electric car manufactures are new companies but mechanically they are significantly simpler. Simplicity almost always leads to reliability. As another comment stated there was a german study that showed the issues are not significant enough to leave someone stranded.
There’s probably a lot of growing pains. A whole ton of automakers are putting out their first generation models and some of them are going to miss things and fuck it up.
Like botching the 12v battery upkeep system.
It’s also based on complaints. People unfamiliar with normal electric vehicle features will complain about them.
Yeah this is actually a pretty poor report… though I’d expect nothing less from Consumer Reports that has been an awful rag for at least a decade.
This is classing trim and rattle issues as a reliability issue which it just isn’t. And Tesla for all the great stuff they have accomplished have definitely had a massive problem with fit and finish which has skewed these numbers to an atrocious degree.
You go look at EV’s from established car manufacturers who have experience in fit and finish and you’ll find a different story entirely. My Polestar 2 has been insanely reliable; it hasn’t left me stranded once in 2 years and 36,000 miles except yesterday when an augur bit lying in the road punched through my tire and rim… hardly a problem with the car. It has been in the shop twice; once for maintenance and once for a headlight unit that failed. By time I had my previous ICE vehicle for that amount of time I’d had electronic issues that had stalled the car twice, a fuel pump replaced and been through a total of 3 tires and two rims due to damage on the roads.
EV’s have far fewer critical moving parts to fail and have a surprising amount of redundancy built in. Heck, a critical failure of a motor won’t even necessarily stop most dual-motor EV’s unless it fails in a way that freezes up the drive shaft.
Amusingly, if you get a flat in a Tesla (and are in a reasonably populated area), their roadside service will just bring you a new wheel, put it on the car for you, take your rim back to the shop, mount a new tire on it, bring it back your your house, and swap the wheels in your driveway.
I have never heard of any other car maker doing that. For all the hate Tesla gets here, the mobile service vans are an incredible experience.
My Polestar 2 has been insanely reliable; it hasn’t left me stranded once in 2 years and 36,000 miles
Just want to point out that one personal anecdotal experience isn’t really saying much though. I mean, my Mazdaspeed 3 hasn’t left me stranded once in 13 years and 115,000kms either (Yet they have a reputation for being unreliable cars)
That car was so junk I promised I would never buy another Mazda again. Absolute garbage of a car.
*Teslas are less reliable than conventional cars - According to customers.
The article really doesn’t talk about reliability issues with other manufacturers besides Tesla.
It’s also based on what people are complaining about. Not real data. People unfamiliar with electric cars are more likely to complain about things that they find normal in ICE vehicles. It doesn’t pass the sniff test that EVs would actually be less reliable than ICE since there’s not very many things that can break.
It’s not ‘less reliable’. They are literally junks.
So they depreciate faster, they’re less reliable, they cost more to insure and they have to have ridiculously expensive battery replacement at regular intervals?
Did I miss anything?
You missed everything.
Someone on the other thread literally claiming evs are more reliable. Funny that this is literally posted
EV car drivelines are 6x more reliable that ICE drivelines. Does that make it ,ore clear to you now? This article by Consumer Reports is a hit piece with a very misleading title.
Not written in the article. Also i dont know what driveline constitutes in an EV, if it doesnt include batteries then that stat is far more misleading than this
this is a bunch of bullshit. the way the look at reliability is not the same way a consumer would. In my case for example my Tesla has been leaps and bounds more reliable than any car I’ve ever had including an Honda S2000, a couple of BMW, three different Ford and a even my now defunct Corolla had more maintenance issues than my electric car.
Yesss more FUD please. I want a Model S Plaid for like 50K.
Won’t be for long. All the drive components are proven technology.
They’re electric motors, wired to a battery. The final mile from suspension to tire has been refined by automakers for over a century now.
They are easy to make reliable. You don’t need much expertise to make them if you have the battery. Which is why everyone including China jumped in feet first.
I’ve had 6 EV since 2014 and not had a single issue with drive train, apart from the Tesla model X suspension replaced under warranty.
Every single ICE has had a recall or similar on the power train.
I take issue with CR’s title. To me, initial quality issues that are covered by warranty =/= reliability. A reliability rating to me infers problems (or lackof) over the long term.
This article is brought to you by Valero (/s)
I bought a brand Renault Twingo E-tech in March 2022. A year and a half and 14k miles later => power train failure, motor had to be replaced. Absolutely no symptoms, it just died.