Not going to lie, super cars with anything less than a 8 cylinder don’t rub me in any good way
And I’m sure they’re great and everything, but the super car experience is heavily complemented by the unique auditory experience
Based on this, if true, then the LaFerrari would further appreciate even more than current values being the “last” V12 ultimate series car etc
We’ve known this for a while.
this is happening to everyone. if its not cylinder count its displacement. The F8 and SF90 have a smaller v8 that can’t rev has high as the 458.
its a shame they choose cylinder count. like I realize that the small cylinder engines have a tough time meeting emissions for whatever reason but I would love to see a 2.5L V12 or something wild, torque fill with e-motor and let the tiny screamer rev its head off.
I’d love if someone could clue us in about why manufacturers view less cylinders but larger displacement is better than more cylinders but smaller displacement. A small, high-revving V8 like the old F1 V8s would be so cool. I suspect the main reasons are complexity and powerband.
That is fairly easy explained.
It has mostly to do with how controlable one thing is over the other.
First of. Speed of your car or rather the Power is a product of torque within a time period. Think of Merry go Rounds in children’s playgrounds. You can decide to either rarely push it, but with heavy emphasis on oomphs by putting your whole body into it or you can keep both hands on it switching and pulling permanently and continuesly.
Large displacement means a car is,… lets say torque “biased/operated”. Big oomphs and big booms. The way you contain that problem is simply by building sidewalls thick enough that can handle the heat those explosions emit. Thats basically it. Thatswhy the 2JZ can be pushed so hard. Because it is a cast iron block with tons of excess material. The downside here being its massive weight.
Now say you want to generate that power by reducing the time factor, by increasing rpm.
In order to increase the RPM by a 1000 in a 2JZ/6 cylinder you introduce a shitload of possible failure points in those moving parts.At the annual distance traveled of 15k km that would be an 10 Mio rotations, times 4 Valves times 6 cylinders times 3 connecting points that make your piston we will get an astronomical number of additional operations by all the moving parts involved.
Even if they are near perfectly machined and enginered at 99,8% perfection.
You roll the dice often enough - shit will break.Efficiency, emissions, weight, and packaging. More cylinders means more parts, such as more valvetrain components, more stuff rotating, etc. More cylinders adds more internal engine drag, which lowers efficiency. V6s are awesome in engine packaging (assuming there’s no turbocharger involved), as they are practically a perfect cube in the engine compartment. Their shorter size makes it easier to shove a larger transmission and maybe a hybrid motor or two. High revs are also not great in the emissions department.
And most importantly, most customers are the types who wants an instant kick in torque. Reving out the engine is seen as “lag” or “sluggishness”.
Because years ago some German eggheads decided that 0.5 liters per cylinder is the optimum for efficiency.
Fuck it let’s put in a V12 two stroke
f1 had ferrari v12’s with a 1.5L back in the 50’s. 3L and 3.5L v12’s were around in the 80’s
Smaller displacement usually means engines can rev higher. It’s the turbos keeping the newer engines from spinning up so much.
I wish Ferrari would cut the 6.5 in half and use a twin turbo 3.2 straight six for some differentiation from the 296. A man can dream I guess.
Straight sixes are awful for balance and for packaging.
Packaging I understand, which is why most companies use V6s. But, straight 6s are literally more balanced than any other 6 cylinder configuration. Straight 6s and V12s are perfectly balanced engines.
Ferrari’s inline 4 racing engines used to make pretty comparable power to their 12 cylinder street cars
i thought everyone was expecting the new hypercar to be the CLK-GTR version of the CLR (aka 499p), so the main thing is a slightly nicer/wider interior and thus less wide door sills found on the race cars
Please no.
Have you driven a 296 yet? It’s insane
No nothing past the Speciale really interests me in their mid engine line up.
Yeah like what’s the point? When you spend that much money on a car you want excess.
More about heritage than excess.
Laaaaaaaaaaame. Stop downsizing engines!
Damn that’s sucks, not that I can afford one. But I do want to buy the V8s at some point and this might make them fight off depreciation better and longer. Bad for future owners
Why do cars that spend most of their lives sitting in rich people’s garages even need to meet strict environmental and fuel economy standards?
Are there any calculations on the emissions difference on allowing high revving supercar engines vs this?
Don’t worry, it can pass sound regulation tests at 30mph!
Sound is such a large part of a cars personality…especially important in the realm of supercars…look at porches gt3’s resale value compared to the turbos. Seldomly do v6’s sound good…
I mean…would you pay that much money for a v6??
the thing about Ferrari is they are a sports team that makes money from the merchandise store that sells branded goods, and it just turns out their merchandise store happens to sell Ferrari branded cars. But because of the motorsport connection I think there will always be pressure to make the cars somewhat connected to the motorsports side, and since they are using v6s in motorsports right now, you end up with the hypercar using a v6 as well. Of course I suspect in the future Ferrari will release a parts bin special where they take the hypercar chassis, give it some vintage inspired bodywork and put in a regular v12, and then charge $$$ for it.
Funnily the V6 296 sounds louder and more ferocious than the V8 sf90 and f8. So pick your poison
People who buy actually Ferarri and not just fantasize about it would still pay that much for a Ferrari. V6 Ferrari is still better than no Ferrari.
They offered me a 296 allocation in 2021 and i regret it to this day
Not that I’m in the market for one, but if I’m wanting huge amounts of torque with shit sound, surely I’d buy electric.