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Not to prove anymore
Whats SM24? 😆
Saudi manager 24
It’s a game produced by BunDesliga. BDSM24 for short
I actually play that game. Its FM but free.
Whether or not you think Messi is better, Pele is far more influential. I would say Ronaldo is as well.
Sorry Maradona is the OG
omg why do these boring ass quotes always get upvoted on here.
Its MessiFC subreddit here
Pele is the most influential player ever. It’s not even close. He made the game truly global. Ffs they had ceasefires during wars to watch him play. Cruyff is the next because of play and managing. Then it’s Messi.
All that while black and born in a country where there were people who had been enslaved still alive when he won his first world cup.
It would not have surprised me if Mike had just released this quote as a statement with absolutely no other context.
Cruyff, Pele, Neuer, Yashin are all wayyy more infuential than Messi. Messi’s biggest influence was the short period of the false 9 in world football, apart from that, he really didnt change the way the game is played.
Arteta evidently disagrees.
W teta
Cheers Geoff!
Disagree, Messi is GOATy, but he isn’t the most influential player in the history of football. That is because there wasn’t a way of playing in that role prior to Messi and post Messi. Maradona did set the same precedent for the small attackers many years before.
R9 is more influential than Messi for example. There was a prior to R9 era where strikers played in one manner. And after R9 era where strikers played differently.
Ibra for example is more influential for the tall/big striker position than Messi for his position. Before Ibra the big CF were asked to keep the ball, fight the defenders and be good at the box. After Ibra, these strikers are asked to do way more, drop deep, progress the ball, set the tempo, be more technically able and so on. Haaland is asked to hold himself to a higher standard because of standards Ibra set to that category for example.
Baresi is also more influential for the CB position, considering his height.
The use of the word “INFLUENTIAL” is used in a wrong manner.
It’s hard to define what “influential” means in this context. I kind of agree that Messi didn’t do anything not seen before, he just did a lot of already existing things, better than anyone and at an incredible speed, during 10+ years.
That said, one could argue that Messi was very influential in their rivals. All their rival coaches spent Messi’s career trying to figure out how to stop him and there was a lot of evolution in tactics around that, with some like Simeone and Mourinho basically building their whole tactics around the premise of stopping Messi first, then everything else.
About your first paragraph, i 100% agree. I think he was extremely influential towards coaches on how to defend him. Even IF, i think that we have seen similar patterns before with Maradona or R9. Something that you mentioned.
But, THE MOST ONE?! Hard pass for me genuinely.
In conclusion, Cheers Geoff
sadly for most r/soccer users all logic is lost when messi is mentioned
Yeah clearly you guys are in the intelligent group of this sub. Don’t look down on us too hard big brains.
First of all, not talking with absolutes makes you more big brain.
it’s crazy how every time a coach or figure praises him or ronaldo you have fanboys in the comment trying to downvote everyone into oblivion who make a good argument/case
Dude, saying this as someone who loves him and think that he rightfully deserved the Golden Ball. But this statment is absolute bonkers. In every way you look at this, he wasn’t THE MOST influential player.
why is this so downvoted? He’s the goat but absolutely not the most influential, they’re two completely different things.
Nuh uh messi better
Messi not getting his dick sucked 10 times a day.
Challenge IMPOSSIBLE.
Influential how ? Convince people to try and ply like Messi ? No one can
How many coaches do you think spent days upon days coming up with different schemes to stop that man? How many coaches said they “know how to stop Messi” ?He’s influence is in the way teams had to adjust to his skill set.
Go watch any star from 2008 downwards , if they got doubled teamed on defense then a commantor would mention it. By the time Messi peaked no one would mention Messi is getting triple teamed ,four players jailed, it just became the standard.
Go ask watch Jose Mourinho how he used to prepare for Messi. That’s actual influence right there…
Good point.
There is no one else with his skill set though.
Must be so easy being a sports journalist, just ask everyone about Messi/Ronaldo all the time, and get easy clicks.
That’s also a method for getting upvotes here - find a news story where they asked some schmuck about who the GOAT is, post it here and get like 3K upvotes guaranteed.
Can’t wait to exchange all my upvotes for cash one day.
You missed out on the opportunity to really sell your account when they got rid of awards.
Every nonsensical Pep quote gets like 2k upvotes. On the most recent one, nearly all the comments were “Why is this upvoted? So tired of hearing from him”
There’s a load of casuals who just want to read the same crap again and again and again, they don’t necessarily comment but they do upvote.
I was just asking myself how these posts still make it to the top of this sub each time. Does anyone still find it interesting who people think is better of the two?
I used to work for a sports media page and half of my job was just refreshing this subreddit to source quotes about Messi and Ronaldo to post on Twitter/Instagram. Was always the top-performing content by a mile.
Lmao, idek if youre baiting or if its actually true
I fucking knew it
You’re internet royalty mate.
it’s hardly a secret at this point with how many articles reference reddit and twitter comments
I even got £50 for a photo of mine the Daily Mail stole off Reddit
Was it paid out automatically or did you have to hound them for it?
The latter, they didn’t ask me for permission, just stole it
Hey guys I know a lawyer let’s band together to file a class action and get back our hard-earned pay!
used to work for a sports newspaper and same.
100% sportsbible
They got relatively huge from reposting this subreddit
Genuinely insane this shite is allowed on r/soccer considering what gets removed
Disculpame si te rompí la cola, así es el periodismo champagne
I’ve finally downvoted the gaffa, what a cold cold day it is