We asked Mikel Arteta for his ideal five-a-side team... and his answer was wonderfully chaotic
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We sat down with Premier League boss and official Soccer Manager 2024 ambassador, Mikel Arteta who picked a stupendously talented side.
  • FieldsOfKashmir@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Whether or not you think Messi is better, Pele is far more influential. I would say Ronaldo is as well.

  • kozy8805@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Pele is the most influential player ever. It’s not even close. He made the game truly global. Ffs they had ceasefires during wars to watch him play. Cruyff is the next because of play and managing. Then it’s Messi.

    • 20cmdepersonalidade@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      All that while black and born in a country where there were people who had been enslaved still alive when he won his first world cup.

  • manuscelerdei@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    It would not have surprised me if Mike had just released this quote as a statement with absolutely no other context.

  • Philiperix@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Cruyff, Pele, Neuer, Yashin are all wayyy more infuential than Messi. Messi’s biggest influence was the short period of the false 9 in world football, apart from that, he really didnt change the way the game is played.

  • Bravo_Ante@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Disagree, Messi is GOATy, but he isn’t the most influential player in the history of football. That is because there wasn’t a way of playing in that role prior to Messi and post Messi. Maradona did set the same precedent for the small attackers many years before.

    R9 is more influential than Messi for example. There was a prior to R9 era where strikers played in one manner. And after R9 era where strikers played differently.

    Ibra for example is more influential for the tall/big striker position than Messi for his position. Before Ibra the big CF were asked to keep the ball, fight the defenders and be good at the box. After Ibra, these strikers are asked to do way more, drop deep, progress the ball, set the tempo, be more technically able and so on. Haaland is asked to hold himself to a higher standard because of standards Ibra set to that category for example.

    Baresi is also more influential for the CB position, considering his height.

    The use of the word “INFLUENTIAL” is used in a wrong manner.

    • raincloud82@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      It’s hard to define what “influential” means in this context. I kind of agree that Messi didn’t do anything not seen before, he just did a lot of already existing things, better than anyone and at an incredible speed, during 10+ years.

      That said, one could argue that Messi was very influential in their rivals. All their rival coaches spent Messi’s career trying to figure out how to stop him and there was a lot of evolution in tactics around that, with some like Simeone and Mourinho basically building their whole tactics around the premise of stopping Messi first, then everything else.

      • Bravo_Ante@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        About your first paragraph, i 100% agree. I think he was extremely influential towards coaches on how to defend him. Even IF, i think that we have seen similar patterns before with Maradona or R9. Something that you mentioned.

        But, THE MOST ONE?! Hard pass for me genuinely.

    • ShimeBD@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      sadly for most r/soccer users all logic is lost when messi is mentioned

      • death_match1@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        Yeah clearly you guys are in the intelligent group of this sub. Don’t look down on us too hard big brains.

      • TheyWillCowerr@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        it’s crazy how every time a coach or figure praises him or ronaldo you have fanboys in the comment trying to downvote everyone into oblivion who make a good argument/case

      • Bravo_Ante@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        Dude, saying this as someone who loves him and think that he rightfully deserved the Golden Ball. But this statment is absolute bonkers. In every way you look at this, he wasn’t THE MOST influential player.

    • TheyWillCowerr@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      why is this so downvoted? He’s the goat but absolutely not the most influential, they’re two completely different things.

    • mortenharket32@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      How many coaches do you think spent days upon days coming up with different schemes to stop that man? How many coaches said they “know how to stop Messi” ?He’s influence is in the way teams had to adjust to his skill set.

      Go watch any star from 2008 downwards , if they got doubled teamed on defense then a commantor would mention it. By the time Messi peaked no one would mention Messi is getting triple teamed ,four players jailed, it just became the standard.

      Go ask watch Jose Mourinho how he used to prepare for Messi. That’s actual influence right there…

  • mrepnik@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Must be so easy being a sports journalist, just ask everyone about Messi/Ronaldo all the time, and get easy clicks.

    • soccermate@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      That’s also a method for getting upvotes here - find a news story where they asked some schmuck about who the GOAT is, post it here and get like 3K upvotes guaranteed.

      • s0ngsforthedeaf@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        Every nonsensical Pep quote gets like 2k upvotes. On the most recent one, nearly all the comments were “Why is this upvoted? So tired of hearing from him”

        There’s a load of casuals who just want to read the same crap again and again and again, they don’t necessarily comment but they do upvote.

    • FuzzyDunlop_91@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      I was just asking myself how these posts still make it to the top of this sub each time. Does anyone still find it interesting who people think is better of the two?

    • HUGE_HOG@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      I used to work for a sports media page and half of my job was just refreshing this subreddit to source quotes about Messi and Ronaldo to post on Twitter/Instagram. Was always the top-performing content by a mile.