• sbv@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    171·
    1 year ago

    by the screenshots it looks like I’ve done plenty

    Voyager is a copy of the Apollo UI. He’s entirely right when he says he’s already contributed significantly.

    I don’t blame him for being grumpy, but I also think it’s legit to clone a decent UI. As Voyager matures the UIs will diverge.

    • cheese_greater@lemmy.worldEnglish
      453·
      1 year ago

      Ya like I empathize with him but I know if I refuse to allow peopleto continue using somethingthry love, they find a way around it. That is the techie ethos, at least it is to me. Seize the means of production hehe

    • phoneymouse@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      11 months ago

      He is becoming a bit stuck on the whole Reddit situation. He keeps sharing nostalgic posts about Apollo. It sucks what happened, but it’s time for him to find a new gig… I know he likes pixel pals, but that isn’t for me. I did pay for his mobile html inspector, but it’s buggy and not well supported.

  • CaptObvious@literature.cafeEnglish
    64·
    1 year ago

    On the one hand, nice jab. Unfair since he wasn’t interested, but get his jollies where he can, I guess.

    On the other, he knew longer than most that Reddit was done. He can pivot to Lemmy at any time.

      • CaptObvious@literature.cafeEnglish
        49·
        1 year ago

        Thanks for the link. I didn’t think he’s in the least interested in Lemmy. Unsure why he’s upset that someone else took the ball that he wasn’t interested in and ran with it.

        • foofiepie@lemmy.worldEnglish
          153·
          1 year ago

          Think about it. If you’d given so much of yourself over to crafting and honing an app like Apollo over the years and all that happened, happened… would you not be a tad deflated and exasperated?

          I don’t blame him. Let him cool off for about 5 years. He’ll see it as a tribute one day.

          • CaptObvious@literature.cafeEnglish
            9·
            1 year ago

            You’re right on all counts. It really is a tribute to Apollo’s design, and I hope he sees it that way someday.

            While I’d be exasperated, I’d like to think that I’d also be mature enough to realize that Voyager simply does what I didn’t want to do. I’d like to think that I wouldn’t be pissy about it. I might be wrong, but I’d like to think it.

          • BURN@lemmy.worldEnglish
            41·
            1 year ago

            100% this

            He was also the voice of the fight against the API changes, which I’m sure took a toll too. His reputation was dragged through the mud and wild accusations thrown his way. He probably wants nothing to do with app dev, let alone app dev for a Reddit clone.

            • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
              18·
              1 year ago

              Interesting. I could see him getting upset if it was monetized but I agree that it makes no sense when he has expressed zero interest in doing it himself.

              • cheese_greater@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1811·
                1 year ago

                He needs to do his business or kindly remove his cheeks from the throne. I’m disappointed with his comments even though they don’t concern me in the least. I don’t think i rver got my lifetime/platinum fee back, be calling Apple soon to get that cleared up if it isn’t too late

                Edit: i needed an extra $40 so this works out perfectly

        • smoothbrain coldtakes@lemmy.caEnglish
          716·
          1 year ago

          Because there’s a stark difference between “playing ball” as it were, and essentially trying to make an identical ball without permission.

            • smoothbrain coldtakes@lemmy.caEnglish
              912·
              1 year ago

              I think people on this site are a bit too used to open source projects you can just fork and use based on their license. This is not the case here.

              All that being said I don’t think Christian is going to take any negative actions against the project; if he was going to, he probably would have done so sooner.

              • andyburke@fedia.io
                181·
                1 year ago

                Please explain what actions he could take?

                Unless someone stole his source or assets there is no action to be taken.

                • cheese_greater@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  77·
                  1 year ago

                  Why couldn’t he do what Narwal is doing?

                  Edit: he basically did what Reddit did and everyone’s cheering his nobillity or whatever. Interesting 🪳

              • Sentau@feddit.deEnglish
                6·
                1 year ago

                I think people on this site are a bit too used to open source projects you can just fork and use based on their license. This is not the case here.

                But the voyager dev has not seen or used apollo’s code to build voyager. He has done everything from scratch only taking heavy inspiration from Apollo. Christian has helped indirectly by being the one to develop the UI which serves as inspiration but considering that voyager is not a competitor to apollo, in my opinion he has no right to be outraged at the fact that it is a looklike. He is free to not contribute to voyager and it is true that he has already contributed a lot indirectly but him getting angry or upset at the fact that the UI is pretty similar makes no sense to me.

                • nilloc@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
                  4·
                  1 year ago

                  And a lot of that UI was requested and suggested by redditors along the development of the app. Christian said as much in many of his posts.

                  Also much of Apollo was influenced by the Alien Blue UI that Reddit had already taken away (and how I got a bunch of years worth of free gold).

          • CaptObvious@literature.cafeEnglish
            161·
            1 year ago

            A ball is a ball. The idea to make a spherical object cannot be copyrighted. Unless the Voyager dev somehow copied Apollo’s source code, there’s not a bloody thing that Christian can do except grumble and snark.

  • RedWeasel@lemmy.worldEnglish
    58·
    1 year ago

    Honestly does response really mean he’s mad or anything about it? Voyager is obviously inspired by Apollo, but any developer who does UX on iOS should inspired by good iOS UX. I think people may be reading into it to much. He already indicated that he was not going to port Apollo. If anything I’d be irritated that people keep asking him more than anything.

  • SinTacks@programming.devEnglish
    6328·
    1 year ago

    Wow, pretty clear how he feels about it. But also he made plenty of money of Apollo and then just shut it down and refused to open source it. So I don’t feel particularly inclined to change my behavior here.

    Edit: All these people white knighting a dev that made millions off his app.

    • wildginger@lemmy.myserv.oneEnglish
      538·
      1 year ago

      Why would he have any obligation to open source a project he was shutting down? If he made the code open, that would be a kind and generous gesture. Not an expected and assumed action.

    • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
      459·
      1 year ago

      and then just shut it down

      He “shut it down” because Reddit intentionally made it impossible to continue. He had no control over that.

      refused to open source it.

      Why is he obligated to open source it?

      • SinTacks@programming.devEnglish
        174·
        1 year ago

        I didn’t say he was obligated to open source it. He gains nothing by keeping it closed. If he had open sourced it I could still use it because I have a Reddit API key. If he open sourced it, it could be converted to work with Lemmy. But he effectively burned it down.

        He doesn’t owe it to me to open source it but I can still think it was a shitty selfish decision.

        • BURN@lemmy.worldEnglish
          43·
          1 year ago

          He also gains nothing from open sourcing it

          People need to stop having the expectation that everything should be open source. It shouldn’t, nor will it ever be

          • SinTacks@programming.devEnglish
            62·
            1 year ago

            It costs him nothing and makes thousands of people happy. It contributes to the open source landscape which he built on heavily. Search his Reddit profile for open source mentions and see for yourself.

            • BURN@lemmy.worldEnglish
              32·
              1 year ago

              And?

              Why does he owe his work to you and anyone else who wants to take it and use it as their own?

              I don’t open source anything I intend to actually do anything with, and I’d assume he has a similar policy.

        • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
          617·
          1 year ago

          Well maybe when you write your own insanely popular and lucrative software you can choose to open-source it

          • SinTacks@programming.devEnglish
            173·
            1 year ago

            I have open sourced software and contributed to open source software. Bet you haven’t. Sure is nice for you to get the benefits of open source with Voyager though isn’t it?

      • xx3rawr@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        He is not obligated in anything but it shouldn’t suprise him or be sour about other devs stepping in to do what he doesn’t want to do. It doesn’t help that he acts like this is done out of malice even though it’s not.

    • quatschkopf34@feddit.deEnglish
      4011·
      1 year ago

      I mean, he provided a great app for free for years. Why should he open source it, just because he also earned cash with it? As far as I know he was also in talks with premium members so that they could get their money back but I’m not updated on that. And of course he shut it down, the app essentially became useless.

  • fuzzywombat@lemmy.worldEnglish
    188·
    1 year ago

    Here are my takeaway. Christian does sound slightly miffed at the fact that Voyager has copied much of the look and feel of Apollo. Even though he has not contributed any code directly to the Voyager app, he has indeed “contributed” to it indirectly. I highly doubt Christian will go after Voyager app in a legal manner. He definitely would have a legal standing to do so but that would alienate his support from the past Apollo community that has moved onto Voyager. There is just no reason for him to do so. I suppose I can imagine a crazy scenario where Apollo IP switches hands to another company and that company decides to take legal action against Voyager but that seems highly unlikely. In retrospect it would have been nice if developer of Voyager basically got permission or just simply asked Christian if it’s okay to use the look and feel of Apollo in writing. That would have avoided any awkwardness or ambiguity.

    • cheese_greater@lemmy.worldEnglish
      151·
      1 year ago

      There’s approximately 0% chance of that happening. Christian made up his mind, he’s free to do whatever he wants. And we’re free to do whatever we want short of actionable real lawsuits. Time will tell but the genie’s outtathe bottle.

    • Link@rentadrunk.orgEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      Interestingly I can see them all on my instance with Voyager. Is this a new feature? They show as removed in red but still visible.