Let’s not forget that this stat was key to our win at City. After the goal, we drained like 10 minutes just having Raya hoof it to the wings and then working the ball back to him. Ramsdale couldn’t have sustained that nearly as long.
Exactly - too many people still struggle to judge keepers past making world class saves when a keepers value is now so much more than that - and even then Rayas saves over expectation numbers are far better than Ramsdales
Fwiw, I also think keepers are the single hardest player to judge by eye, because good keeping is often about avoiding the memorable moments. Ramsdale will make a world class save from time to time, but Raya just catches the cross.
Completely agree which is why I tend to lean on the data (saves over expectation relative to xG, distribution and progression numbers, cross claiming numbers) and Raya excels or is at least very good in all these areas. Problem is the “eye test” that people remember is him misplacing a few 40 yard passes which have ended in a goal - for example the Lens goal from his misplaced pass to Tomiyasu - 95 times out of 100 that doesn’t end in a goal but Wahi just pulled some magic out of his arse and all of a sudden people are disproportionately attacking Raya because of it - and because its early into his “controversial” elevation to our starter it sticks in the mind more than it would with any other keeper
Let’s not forget that this stat was key to our win at City. After the goal, we drained like 10 minutes just having Raya hoof it to the wings and then working the ball back to him. Ramsdale couldn’t have sustained that nearly as long.
Exactly - too many people still struggle to judge keepers past making world class saves when a keepers value is now so much more than that - and even then Rayas saves over expectation numbers are far better than Ramsdales
Fwiw, I also think keepers are the single hardest player to judge by eye, because good keeping is often about avoiding the memorable moments. Ramsdale will make a world class save from time to time, but Raya just catches the cross.
Completely agree which is why I tend to lean on the data (saves over expectation relative to xG, distribution and progression numbers, cross claiming numbers) and Raya excels or is at least very good in all these areas. Problem is the “eye test” that people remember is him misplacing a few 40 yard passes which have ended in a goal - for example the Lens goal from his misplaced pass to Tomiyasu - 95 times out of 100 that doesn’t end in a goal but Wahi just pulled some magic out of his arse and all of a sudden people are disproportionately attacking Raya because of it - and because its early into his “controversial” elevation to our starter it sticks in the mind more than it would with any other keeper