I am seeing a lot of negative articles on EV’s lately. They are using the slowdown in EV sales as a result of people abandoning EV’s. Yet I believe the slowdown is from high interest rates, inflation on everything, and people don’t have as much money right now because of inflation.
I just seen an article saying the true cost of running an EV is the equivalent of $17.33 a gallon, based on infrastructure, charging equipment, subsidies, etc. This kind of talk makes me sick, feels like some are pushing against EV’s in a big way, twisting the truth.
Coming from true EV owners what do you all think of this?
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As a non ev owner who badly wants an EV: everything’s getting more expensive, interest rates are high af. It’s also expensive to get a home charging option and charging through public chargers is comparable to cost of gas. Also you have to pay quite a bit more for an ev. I’ll wait till there are cheaper evs and better charging options.
arable to cost of gas. Also you have to pay quite a bit more for an ev. I’ll wait till there are cheaper evs and better charging options.
a LOT of people don’t actually need more than level 1 charging, and those that do could easily get by with a 15amp 240v circuit rather than a 40amp (some exceptions apply, buy how many people NEED more than 250-300km of range every day?)
my kona EV put about 100km a night into my car when i first got it with level 1. That same charger\current at 240 would result in 2.5-3x the charge rate (the overhead of charging support systems hurts 120v charging a lot more)
I’m not telling you to get a EV, i’m just saying a lot of the common concerns really aren’t much more than a minor nuisance when you get right down to it. It depends a lot on your personal circumstances though. Around here electricity prices are cheap, and i need to travel almost 100km\day. This makes my monthly expense on a EV basically the same as a low milage car.
This is like the gazillionth time this topic has been brought up on this sub in the past month.
Also development maturity of those cars is crazy low. It is being pushed to the market too hard.
It’s obvious there’s a campaign by big oil companies to try and influence the market. In the U.K. every day in one of the papers there’s an article with a negative spin on EVs, could be queues at charging points, catching fire, the weight causing potholes, just nonsense stuff. There’ll be those that are gullible who will fall for it, but they’ll soon get left behind.
It will only get worse. One of the world’s biggest industries, oil and gas, is being squeezed out of existance. And a number of countries have nothing to fall back on. The bot attacks from Russia will get fiercer in the coming years.
Many have been reading about “wait” times and poor charging equipment. That will do it. We cant wait around !! for anything…
The cost of running any car is high if you include externalities because cars are wasteful and horrible.
it is ramping up everywhere and Mary Led
It sucks that the charging network companies are pathetic.
Not Tesla’s!
My conspiracy theory is that Toyota is behind a lot of the attack articles lol. Who knows.
ID3 owner here I have paid 55€ for 1241km in the last two months, compared to some colleagues I believe I have saved some money just for going work and home
Given that overall EV sales are way up, at least in the US, but all the automakers are saying demand is soft, I have a guess that all the automakers thought they could take all the demand for themselves, they all went out and most of them made great choices and spread the demand thin between them. So despite very strong demand (which was still showing up in used prices when I traded in my Leaf recently), the demand for each brands vehicle is lower than they had hoped.
All the articles on the topic – and I was just reading another – seem to be focussing on the narrow picture of some statements, rather than the bigger picture that sales of EVs continue at record levels.
The change is inevitable and as people begin to really understand some things about EVs vs ICE, it’ll start going even faster. (What range anxiety really is, how convenient EVs are, how much cheaper they really are, and a bunch of other interesting and curious differences.)
Also gas prices are temporarily dropping.
A few things are happening: the IRS rules for tax credits change on Jan. 1, meaning that when you buy an EV the dealer takes $7,500 off at the point of sale (instead of buyers having to wait a year to deduct it from taxes.) Buyers may be waiting for Jan. 1.
Also, gas prices in the U.S. have been declining for 3-4 months, which means the people most sensitive to higher gas prices have stopped thinking about making a move to EVs - for now. Gas prices always eventually rise.
Finally, ICE vehicle sales in the U.S. have been under pressure since 2017. EV sales are holding up really well in comparison.
We have a Tesla 3. My husband is an electrical engineer and installed the charger himself, which is admittedly not the usual case and saved us money there. However, he also built and installed a meter over it to actually calculate the electrical usage (it’s good to be married to a science nerd). Rounded off during a six month period since May 2023, the car has cost us approximately $300 in additional electrical usage. The same period for his previous ICE vehicle (2017 Kia Sorento) would have averaged out to about $700. And he is basing this on the lower end of gasoline costs during that period here in southeastern PA, around $3.50 a gallon.
Please take into consideration that the serious EV haters are like most conspiracy theorists. They will overblow anything they can find into “EVs are too expensive, unreliable, dangerous, - EVIL” to support their points.