Got a '14 Rav 4 with 100k miles and been using nothing my Mobile 1 0w20. Been thinking about changing brands. Heard some good stuff by Quaker State. Can anyone concur?
Got a '14 Rav 4 with 100k miles and been using nothing my Mobile 1 0w20. Been thinking about changing brands. Heard some good stuff by Quaker State. Can anyone concur?
5W-30 - Mobil 1, Pennzoil Platinum, Castrol Edge, Valvoline Synthetic MaxLife, don’t matter.
I’m leery of 0W-20 personally - it’s a minuscule MPG gain for Toyota to get CAFE credits but unless that car is driven “normally” - no stop & go or high speeds, it’s not as protective.
Manufacturer recommends 0w20. I dont really wanna go along with some random guy on the internet (no offense) lol
Toyota has used 0W20 for decades now and the engines and fuel mileage are still industry leading so 0W20 it is. 0 weight oils flow best cold for start up lube anyway
I’ll give you that - but I’ve seen Subarus struggle to kick over on 0W-20 in Tahoe - these are new Outbacks and Foresters, not some beat on WRX or dirtbag Legacy wagon in the Heavenly parking lot.
Toyota backspeced to 0W-20 for the US/Canadian market because CAFE and there is a statement in the owner’s manual that “thicker oils provide better protection for high-speed driving or severe use.” It’s worded to avoid a brush with the EPA/CAFE - Toyota says indirectly thicker oil is OK. Severe use to me is towing, extended freeway runs(like a roadtrip” or gig work like Uber or Amazon/Doordash. The same engines in Southeast Asia, Australia/New Zealand and Middle Eastern/African nations allow for thicker oil.
The only cars I’ll feel comfortable running 0W-20 or even 0W-16 full time is a Honda and the new Toyota Dynamic Force engines that were designed to accommodate thinner oils. Honda was the first to introduce 0W-20 and they have a dire warning not to use anything except that.
For the US the recommend 0W-20. In Japan, they allow up to a 10W-30, for Southeast Asia and Australia/Middle East, up to a 20W-50.
0W-20 is a fuel economy grade. It works fine for Honda - they invented it and engineered for it. Right now, Mopar and GM are having lifter issues on V8s with DoD and 0W-20.
Because GM and Mopar are shit in comparison. The lifter issues are nothing new, been a problem since 2016+ when the 5.3L first started recommending 0W20, yet they keep cranking out the same underengineered garbage. Unless you need a 2500 series pickup, those brands should be avoided.