Recently test drove both. I’m looking for a potential replacement for an aging, full bolt on Mazdaspeed3 and a CX-30 (would be nice to consolidate down to one vehicle.)
Interior is the same on both (that lovely red leather). The N/A Skyactiv 2.5 pulls nicely from idle and is enough to push you back in the seat once the tach sweeps over 5 grand. It did not feel lacking in power and while it’s no sledgehammer like the DISI in the MS3, it’s more than adequate for public roads with 191hp. The shifter/clutch combo is fantastic and you can easily heel/toe this car just like the Speed. Handling is good, it rotates well, but not quite as good as the Speed (more body roll on a spirited back road drive), and the car is under-tired IMO, but the suspension is far more compliant over rough surfaces even with the torsion beam. The Speed is a hardcore car and kind of beats you up but as a guy who’s over 40 now, which is why I stopped dailying it, and the new 3 feels easier on the back.
The Turbo is great, I would totally rock one of them as a fast cruiser, but I have to give it a zonk for the SUV-like power delivery that falls off over 4k and artificial engine noise from the speakers (really, Mazda?) Also felt heavier over the front axle than the 3 manual, which is a given given a turbo, intercooler, plumbing, and heavier engine internals to take the boost. Finally, it’s an automatic, and not a particularly crisp shifting one, and as such, there’s just less to do, less engagement, less moment to moment fun outside of onramp blasts. You drive the 3 manual with all four limbs. My arm and hand, and left foot, are a piece of the powertrain.
Anyway, the N/A manual feels like an enthusiast gem that gets slept on more than it should. I had a buzz after driving it that I didn’t get off the Turbo.
MT 3 is a great daily. Cheap to run, fun to play with but comfortable and quiet when you just need to drive somewhere.
I would actually say it’s more like driving an RX-8 than an MS3. I won’t say I don’t miss the extra power of the MS3, but it pays dividends at the pump.
As someone that went from an RX-8 to a MS3 to a 4th gen 3 Premium 6MT, but has plenty of seat time with the turbo drivetrain in my wife’s CX-9s, you are on the right track. The automatic is really not fun and the weight distribution is somehow even worse with the turbo than the MS3.
Any regrets over selling your MS3? I’d be a little worried that it could turn into a long term life regret, as I’ve owned it since new and frankly it’s still an awesome, fast car. Just not something I want to daily anymore, for a number of reasons.
I had mine for 8 years - from 2 miles through around 36,000. 2012 tech package. I didn’t really expect to replace it but drove the new 3 while shopping for my wife’s car. This was not long after lockdown, in kind of a sweet spot where used car prices were climbing and new cars were incentivized heavily. I got a lot for my MS3 and got the new one for well under sticker with 0% financing. It was a deal that I literally could not refuse.
I don’t get to do much fun driving, and I only drive to my office 1-2 times a month, so much of my driving is errands or dropping my kids off. I miss the turbo when I’m passing on a 2 lane road, but not that much in daily driving.
To put it another way, the new one is 90% as fun but 150% better to live with. It’s vastly more comfortable, shockingly quiet, the tech is about 20 years newer, shifter/clutch are better, and you’re not giving up much with that chassis. I think better tires will get back a lot of it, and the people going on about the inferior rear suspension are clowns from what I can tell. Visibility is a little worse out the back, but you gain a camera. Gas savings are not insignificant between using regular and gaining 5-10 MPG.
My only real beef with the car is the cylinder deactivation, and I’m hoping to find a tune that turns it off. I hate the way it sounds and feels. Otherwise, no regrets. Keep us posted!
Similar boat here, owned mine since new, so nearly 12 years now. Was deep into the old Mazdaspeedforums scene, with meetups with other owners, modding, etc. But now most of my driving is school dropoffs, grocery runs, and a short commute. Guess I got old. Barely even a chance to spool the turbo most days, and as you probably recall, the MS3 isn’t that great off boost. It’s not fast. And you’re still dealing with that heavy clutch and dual mass flywheel each shift. And stiff suspension, etc. They are hardcore cars.
There’s that, and the fact that these cars are now entering that netherworld of too old to be supported by the OEMs (got turned away by my dealer for a clutch job recently despite practically begging them) yet are not desirable, appreciating classics like, say, a Mitsubishi Evo. The ownership base for the Speeds has gone downmarket toward kids who are beating the hell out of half-dead examples of the cars, along with a tiny smattering a hardcore owners with built cars who’ll never sell (like over on Mazdaspeeds.org). I don’t have time to work on the car myself, so I take it to a quality independent, but as you know these cars are maintenance queens and just keeping them in good running order isn’t cheap when little things need attention and you’re paying shop rates of $165 an hour. The idea of a new 3 with a warranty that captures 90% of the MS3 experience during daily, responsible driving is awfully compelling.
Very similar boats! I miss mazdaspeedforums, even more when someone posts a dumb question around here. I really had no intentions of trading my 8 year old MS3 with 36K miles, but I was really impressed with the 4th gen. I really only considered the -Accord 2.0T with a 6 speed when I decided to make the move, but it turned out they were all gone by Spring 2020 and they just hadn’t announced they weren’t making more. It’s hard to make a case for any alternatives now. Integra or GTI, but both have serious drawbacks.