Why do I see endless waves of everton fans say they haven’t broke any rules, and everything will be turned over through appeal?
Has any one seen the latest athletic article?
Everton football club are really in trouble here, and I believe all 3 teams looking for a court case will win. That is another possible 9 point deduction.
Also, all this talk of a hostile goodison on the weekend, for what gain?
Second question would be, why does everyone now relate this to Man City? Since when have Man City ever been comparable to any other team in the prem?
Fairness is something we can all agree on, but it’s not the way it works.
Does anyone else think Everton are safe, even with another 9 point deduction, because I do. But I digress, why do Everton fans feel they have done nothing wrong?
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As a Liverpool fan I feel everton have been treated harshly. They never sought to hide anything and cooperated fully as soon as they found they had a problem. They broke the rules but city for example have tried to hide their wrongdoing at every turn. I feel punishing everton so harshly sends the wrong message. Now we know its best to not be honest if you make mistakes.
The reason is that Man City and Chelsea have blatantly broken the competitive spirit of the game and irreversibly changed english football for the worst (and the world in general. Chelsea was a literal Putin ally ffs).
And yet the only shit that ever happens is to Everton?
Humans are super sensitive to selective rule enforcement. And everyone can tell that’s what has happened here.
I haven’t seen any of our fans claim we’ve not broken the rules, we just dispute the massively over the top punishment for doing so. Our overspending was entirely related to the new stadium being built and the independent commission’s ruling even states we gained ‘no competitive advantage’ from it, as well as stating that it was ‘a business decision’ not to sell or sue Gylfi Sigurdsson, and that the sanctioning of Usmanov (who was funding the stadium) following the invasion of Ukraine was not a mitigating circumstance. We are rightly outraged by the 10 point deduction for these reasons, however we don’t think our appeal will remove it, just lessen it hopefully.
I agree with you
Our overspending was entirely related to the new stadium being built and the independent commission’s ruling even states we gained ‘no competitive advantage’ from it
According to the Financial Times
“However, the commission concluded that Everton’s losses were largely due to overspending on players, which it described as “unwise” given the clear risk of exceeding permitted losses and repeated warnings from the Premier League.”
Which seems to dispute your claim above.
https://www.ft.com/content/7a527cb2-02fd-411a-a196-f8ae67a4d080
I’m not sure it does. Our losses came from spending on players, yes. But we are permitted losses. What we can’t do is overspend - and that overspending was caused by an issue related to the stadium.
The overspending is just that your losses were higher than the agreed amount. So the stadium may have had an some impact but the majority of the impact was from players.
Everton allegedly got confirmation that the interest payments on their loan (many 10s of millions of pound per year) are deductible as per infrastructure spending rules, and as such planned accordingly. The PL changed their mind on this decsion part way through the 21/22 season (after the loan was secured) and the said they would no longer allow this to be deductible.
I’m just reporting that the claim it was solely or mainly due to stadium funding doesn’t appear to be the case based on the independent panel.
Our overspending was entirely related to the new stadium being built and the independent commission’s ruling even states we gained ‘no competitive advantage’ from it.
Are infrastructure improvements like new stadiums not exempt from the FFP calculations? Pretty sure they were last I checked.
‘a business decision’ not to sell or sue Gylfi Sigurdsson
Surely Everton wouldn’t have been able to sue him unless he was found guilty. I can’t see how it would hold up otherwise. He was acquitted in the end.
Are infrastructure improvements like new stadiums not exempt from the FFP calculations? Pretty sure they were last I checked.
They are but the biggest debate in this case is whether interest of a loan they took out should be deductible or not. It was originally deducted last year but the PL changed their position as they assumed it was used for the stadium when it had not been.
Everton argue that they would never have taken out this loan if it weren’t for the stadium and that Moshiri would have paid of it anyway. The PL argue that the interest of the loans shouldn’t be deducted because the the stadium had been funded by interest free loans by Moshiri - it also noted that when taking out the loan the club had said it would not be used on the stadium or players but working capital and the independent panel sided with them.
It was a loose loose situation for all unfortunately, due to the nature of the arrest of player x, Everton had no choice but to suspended. (Fans would be furious if he played). But they could not sue as he was ultimately not charged. It took 2 years before he got work again and we may never know the truth
Stadiums weren’t exempt from FFP, but then they were made to be exempt a little while ago (not sure how long, I’ll look for a source.) This is why Everton’s £300m loss was reduced to £20m, that accounts for a lot of the stadium costs.
You’re right, Everton couldn’t sue him until he was found guilty, which he wasn’t. The Premier League, in their infinite wisdom, decided that we should have used him anyway to make up the lost wages. Not a lot we can do about that one.
Iirc the stadium / infrastructure was excempt. The problem was that they took the loan out before they got planning permission, which then meant it couldn’t be put into this category, however stupid that is.
I definitely have not seen ‘endless waves’ if Everyone fans saying they haven’t broken the rules. I’ve seen a lot of dismay and gallows humour.
I do feel for Everton, it’s a harsh punishment and I don’t think there should be punishment for investing what you like into a club to make it run better, that’s a good thing in business and that’s what football is now, which hurts as much as it’s true. The rules are stupid but if you’ve broken them and there is proof of that, you can’t complain.
On the City subject, I don’t understand how every fan thinks they’re guilty when the charges are accusations? It still has to go to a panel and case and most of the 115 charges are little things that have been duplicated from one charge like ‘failure to report financials on time’. It’s really petty to claim to be forthright and claim that your club has done no wrong when most clubs have. United got charged for FFP for a similar charge in the summer and got a small fine.
I do think if City get charged with the 115 charges, it will be the end of the premier league as we know it. They will get lawyers on the appeal and charges will be handed out to all other clubs i.e United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea. Because if City have done any wrong for trying to build a club, then the others have certainly done so. In the 90’s/early 00’s United paid record fee’s for many players and on that basis became as well supported as they are now to get that revenue stream they have from fans all over the world. It’s quite a conundrum the premier league have on their hands if there is no statue of limitations in their rules which has been stated many times.
I genuinely think the EPL have shot themselves in the foot here. One could say this was to demonstrate they can keep order in their own house, yet what it’s going to do it open so many negatives the EPL will (imo) be government regulated before long. The politicians are calling for this, and the EPL don’t want it, so you’ve got to ask yourself why don’t they want it? By trying to self regulate they’ve gone too far immediately and created a storm that won’t be contained - it’s going to be fascinating to watch.
Can we ask the government to investigate PGMOL while we are at it?
Everton broke the rules and have been punished simple as that.
All our sympathy should be with there fans as its the club owners that got them into this mess.
The major difference between this and City is Everton were open and admitted to breaking the rules, just like Chelsea are now doing.
Chelsea will face similar punishment (possibly more severe)
As for city they are fighting against all 115 charges, but as soon as the case is done they’ll be punished to (I hope)
I do not agree with any difference of any of this cheating regardless of club, at the end of the day rules were broken and its time to pay the price.
I hope Everton stay up, and even Chelsea to, but if they go down the clubs are in prime position to come back to the prem after a year or to.
I don’t think any fans are saying they didn’t break the rules. They did, most fans acknowledge that. But the severity of the punishment does not fit the crime, and that’s almost universally accepted by pundits, journalists and fans alike.
The issue with the court case and why it probably won’t succeed is the precedent it will set. Would that mean if Chelsea and City are found to have broken rules, every team that finished below them could sue them for lost revenue/lost european football? Could Everton sue them as they missed out on CL in 13/14? It really takes you down a path that means the next decade will be spent in court deciding the results of the last decade.
Those 3 teams have zero chance at winning a lawsuit
Was it Southampton that got £20milliom from West Ham over Carlos Tevez helping them stay up and wasn’t even a legit player?
Think you’ll find, they probably do have a chance mate
Nah. They were relegated because they fielded worse teams. Plain and simple
They settled out of court.
Endless waves of Everton fans saying we haven’t broke the rules?
I’ve spent hours reading and hearing hundreds of takes from Everton fans and not a single one has claimed this. Stop talking utter bullshit.
Everton have broken the rules, that’s undeniable, but they’ve not been treated fairly in accordance to other side’s who’ve also broken the rules.
I’m guessing here, but I expect Everton fans wouldn’t be as angry with the point deduction if Man City and Chelsea had faced similar punishments.
I wonder if punishing Everton harshly is an attempt to set a precedent for strong punishments for Man City and Chelsea —-
“Look what we did to Everton, and they only had one small offense and then complied immediately with the investigation!
“You two have 100s of millions of fraud for which to answer, so yes, we’re taking your first-born sons, we’re banning Pep, and we’re demoting both of you to a Sunday pickup league in Farnham.”
One can hope, anyways.
I think most Everton fans that are acting like they’ve barely broken any rules or don’t deserve this (harsh) level of punishment are doing so under the assumption that any punishment that City/Chelsea receive in the future won’t be anywhere near proportional.
Which is technical unfounded, but also completely understandable.
Three teams went down. If Everton had gone down only one would have stayed up. Why would all three be entitled to compensation?
Because all three have a case for being disadvantaged from Everton cheating.
Yeah they were really disadvantaged when we signed all of zero players in January knowing full well we were in the a serious relegation scrap and could not score goals to save our life. How is losing money to the point of being unable to invest in the first team cheating?
Cheating would be us not only breaching the loss rules, but also using the suspect money to bring in players.
But that case is a complete non starter for two reasons they didn’t overspend that season and the season they did overspend for they gained no competitive advantage for. Both these factors should shut down any potential case in my opinion pretty quickly