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New stoppage time rule? Did everyone forget about this.
The level of premier league, cup and European games is relatively the same. However, the level of needless international friendliest, shoe-horned winter world cups and pointless nations league tournaments is ridiculous. Glad Harry Kane at least gets a winter break before the Euros.
I’m sorry how is a player playing for league and UCL in the same week different from playing in two international games in a week?
This argument is basically:
Players playing in games I like to watch is ok, players playing in games I don’t like to watch is bad.
Too many games, high intensity football, lack of proper rotations
And its only going to get worse next year because of the new format for European competitions
Hogh intensity football is an underrated aspect imo. 5 sears ago most of the lesser teams would play low blocks and sit back. Today almost every team plays a high press but not all the players are built for it.
And 10 early 2000s small teams didn’t even play low blocks just generically bad football with a bit of defence, bit of attack no tactical fouls and big sides would play bottom half clubs in cruise control.
The game is better for smaller clubs being significantly more capable, it’s one change I wouldn’t want to undo at all, but something has to give and tournaments should not be expanding at all as a bare minimum. It’s getting worse not better
something has to give
I think 15% more things have given this year compared to previous years
Players don’t even get proper summer rests because the clubs are desperate to get them playing all across the globe for exposure during those time periods.
Has VAR also played some role here? I can imagine having 1-2 minute pauses several times a game can make you cool off pretty quickly and your muscles become more injury prone. I believe that’s actually what happened to van de Ven in the Tottenham - Chelsea game for example
Van De Ven did not do his hamstring just because of a VAR pause. If the pauses were an issue you’d see it all the time in Rugby, which you don’t…
We’d also see the field become a casualty ward after half time in every game.
I always find it interesting how people here always complain how nation team managers always play their best players for their qualification games (8-10 games spread over 2 years) and disregard how clubs don’t rotate the same players in over 50 games per year.
The difference is that clubs cannot sign and register new players outside of the transfer window.
If the squad is riddled with injuries, the club will have to work with what they have until the transfer window reopens. In short, their choice and ability to rotate players are restricted to multiple constrains such as injuries, timing, money etc
The NT has none of these constrains (for the international break). They can call up whichever best and fit squad available. If they feel like player A is gassed or not in a good shape, they can easily call up player B before the break starts. They don’t have to sign player B for X amount of money, they just need to add him to the call up list. In short, NT can rotate players easier.
Also disregard how their club probably goes to the USA, back to England and finish in East-Asia in preseason, playing up to 8 full games in preseason.
Barca had a god like teenager who played 72 games in one season for club and country… Since that season he has missed 40% of the games with injury…
Barca had a god like teenager who play 90% of the minutes for club and country. He recently tore in ACL and meniscus, in a low priority international match which nearly all other players were rotated.
Jurgen just loves a moan…
his style of play is the main cause. high press, high intensity for 90+ minutes.
Liverpool don’t even have an injury problem this year compared to the rest. What are you on about?
I mean do you really need both Nations league and Euro’s?
I’m sure when the Nations League was first announced UEFA said that it would eventually replace Euros qualifiers. Probably changed their minds in favour of more cash.
As an aside I hate how big the Euros has become. When I was a kid it was 16 teams representing most of the top 20 international teams in the world. Short tournament, high quality, good fun. Now it’s too diluted.
The euros was peak at 16. Almost no dead rubbers even in the groups, just a quality tournament all round.
16 team euros was brutal, 1 bad game in he group and you could be out
now it just has a ton of filler, which on one hand is nice for the smaller nations that wouldn’t get to compete otherwise, but it always means some low stakes games
Technically you could make them different, let’s say one in a classic format and one closer to current Champions’ League with League A being the main qualification route - it would still keep the challenge between low-rated teams while keeping the tournament finals in the other
Right now they are redundant, yeah
- coincidence
Is that statistically significant?
This could definitely just be year-on-year variance. There could also be more sensitivity from the medical teams towards minor injuries.
This is one of those things that everyone looks at and attributes whatever they hate about the game as the cause. But we don’t have enough evidence to make definitive claims about causal relationships in regards to injuries.
Because the league is clamping down on time wasting/loss of play time
Causing players to play longer than they have ever done in the careers whether it be at pro or youth level
We just had a world Cup in the middle of a season, of course it will impact the following season
these things are never just one cause. style of play is the driver - high intensity for 90+ minutes.
World cup winter, no break
If you asked me what the chances of, at some point in the season, there being at least 15% more injuries compared to the last 4 seasons or more at some point over the last few seasons then I would say ‘pretty high’. Surely 15% isn’t enough to make a statistical judgement just yet.
But then again I’m not a football statistician so whatevs