Volkswagen is on track for its smallest year of China sales since 2012, according to CNBC analysis of public data for the first three quarters of the year.
No one should be surprised that BYD is dominating. Doug Demuro did a review of the Han and its nice. A $43k EV with stitched leather interior and is intended to compete with vehicles that are priced above $60k.
Also, China is where the US probably should be with EV adoption, but to say that we aren’t committed is an understatement.
I think he means that in China, if the government decides something happens, it happens. For example, with China’s rapid expansion of their high speed rail network, environmental concerns were often ignored and consultation with local residents near the proposed tracks often did not take place or was brushed aside to get the project underway as quickly as possible. Compare this to a western country where a project like a high speed train line would spend years getting bogged down in environmental consultations and feedback loops from stakeholders.
Which is hilarious because Chinese provincial bureaucracy is legendary for its pettiness and slow movement
Honestly, what’s funny is that American and Chinese online bitching about their governments’ bureaucracies are practically identical. People call them lazy, low paid and relient on good benefits, too obsessed with affirmative action, etc
Bureaucracy and regulation that help corporate greed are bad, sure, but bureaucracy and regulations that help the consumer are good things for progress.
For example, the usa homeownership rate was in the 40% range until programs post ww2 boosted it up into the 60% range. Great Britain was even worse. Some economist somewhere decided homeownership was good, and now usa/canada/aus/gb all put programs in place that boosted their numbers to the 60-70 range we see today.
Compared to china’s 90% it is not as high, but there were some costs to that as well.
but to say that we aren’t committed is an understatement.
We have huge anti-progress politics (SUVs hualing nothing) right now combined with a mix of fake progress politics (touch screen everything). It’s created dividing lines everywhere, where as it used to not be so bad.
It’s bad, divisive leadership. Elon could have had the world, Tesla could be far bigger than it is.
I feel like car culture in the US is really hurting adoption rates. Just about every man over 40 that I know hates EVs, not all, but the vast majority.
But so many of them are known as their circles “car guy” so people seek out their opinions. Then they say the stupidest shit. You see it in this sub all the time. And they’ll always push those goalposts back when their prediction is wrong. Hell according to “car guys” from 10 years ago, I should have had to replace the battery 3+ times for $10k a pop in my volt because “they use the same batteries and cell phones and those things are garbage after 2 or 3 years”
They also pretend that you can’t charge at home. Or that the range is terrible. Hell you even hear the claim that they are all unreliable and impossible to fix.
So sick of people that hold on to the past with an iron grip
It’s not really men over 40 who are buying cars. The majority of consumer spending is done by women, so you have to market towards them to sell anything. And right now they’re into large SUVs.
I’m not being a dick, I think you just missed my point. In most friends groups, men over 40 are often asked what they think is best, and because of our car culture they often give shitty advise.
Its always the same kind of knuckle dragging idiot too, they vote conservative and don’t have a single original thought on EVs.
Everything they know comes from talk radio, Fox or some fringe media outlet bankrolled by big oil.
They also love Elon Musk, but they used to hate him until he opened his mouth
Big Oil ran an incredibly successful campaign against EVs, to the point that people will ad nauseum repeat nonsense like the battery thing till the cows come home.
If anyone is trying to get you to hate or fear something, you should really ask why, and these people just don’t.
It’s a lot easier when all of the domestic automakers are state owned and there is no political opposition to anything. Also the fact they are fully industrializing and building up many cities due to their economic boom, it’s reasonable they’d made all née infrastructure modernized and future proof. Much easier than having to replace old infrastructure and build new ones on top of them
China doesnt have fossil fuel lobbyists to worry about. When the government sets a goal, it happens or heads will roll. It’s why china’s so good at building infrastructure as well. No hoops to jump through when one group controls all the hoops.
No one should be surprised that BYD is dominating. Doug Demuro did a review of the Han and its nice. A $43k EV with stitched leather interior and is intended to compete with vehicles that are priced above $60k.
Also, China is where the US probably should be with EV adoption, but to say that we aren’t committed is an understatement.
That’s what happens when there’s no bureaucracy and regulations standing in the way of progress. But there’s a cost
No bureaucracy in China? Source ?
I think he means that in China, if the government decides something happens, it happens. For example, with China’s rapid expansion of their high speed rail network, environmental concerns were often ignored and consultation with local residents near the proposed tracks often did not take place or was brushed aside to get the project underway as quickly as possible. Compare this to a western country where a project like a high speed train line would spend years getting bogged down in environmental consultations and feedback loops from stakeholders.
Which is hilarious because Chinese provincial bureaucracy is legendary for its pettiness and slow movement
Honestly, what’s funny is that American and Chinese online bitching about their governments’ bureaucracies are practically identical. People call them lazy, low paid and relient on good benefits, too obsessed with affirmative action, etc
it’s so legendary it’s a major point of chinese theology LMAOOO
If they dont want bureaucracy there wont be any
Bureaucracy and regulation that help corporate greed are bad, sure, but bureaucracy and regulations that help the consumer are good things for progress.
For example, the usa homeownership rate was in the 40% range until programs post ww2 boosted it up into the 60% range. Great Britain was even worse. Some economist somewhere decided homeownership was good, and now usa/canada/aus/gb all put programs in place that boosted their numbers to the 60-70 range we see today.
Compared to china’s 90% it is not as high, but there were some costs to that as well.
We have huge anti-progress politics (SUVs hualing nothing) right now combined with a mix of fake progress politics (touch screen everything). It’s created dividing lines everywhere, where as it used to not be so bad.
It’s bad, divisive leadership. Elon could have had the world, Tesla could be far bigger than it is.
I feel like car culture in the US is really hurting adoption rates. Just about every man over 40 that I know hates EVs, not all, but the vast majority.
But so many of them are known as their circles “car guy” so people seek out their opinions. Then they say the stupidest shit. You see it in this sub all the time. And they’ll always push those goalposts back when their prediction is wrong. Hell according to “car guys” from 10 years ago, I should have had to replace the battery 3+ times for $10k a pop in my volt because “they use the same batteries and cell phones and those things are garbage after 2 or 3 years”
They also pretend that you can’t charge at home. Or that the range is terrible. Hell you even hear the claim that they are all unreliable and impossible to fix.
So sick of people that hold on to the past with an iron grip
It’s not really men over 40 who are buying cars. The majority of consumer spending is done by women, so you have to market towards them to sell anything. And right now they’re into large SUVs.
I’m not being a dick, I think you just missed my point. In most friends groups, men over 40 are often asked what they think is best, and because of our car culture they often give shitty advise.
Its always the same kind of knuckle dragging idiot too, they vote conservative and don’t have a single original thought on EVs.
Everything they know comes from talk radio, Fox or some fringe media outlet bankrolled by big oil.
They also love Elon Musk, but they used to hate him until he opened his mouth
Big Oil ran an incredibly successful campaign against EVs, to the point that people will ad nauseum repeat nonsense like the battery thing till the cows come home.
If anyone is trying to get you to hate or fear something, you should really ask why, and these people just don’t.
It’s a lot easier when all of the domestic automakers are state owned and there is no political opposition to anything. Also the fact they are fully industrializing and building up many cities due to their economic boom, it’s reasonable they’d made all née infrastructure modernized and future proof. Much easier than having to replace old infrastructure and build new ones on top of them
China doesnt have fossil fuel lobbyists to worry about. When the government sets a goal, it happens or heads will roll. It’s why china’s so good at building infrastructure as well. No hoops to jump through when one group controls all the hoops.
Also, the adoption is thanks in part to the super cheap EVs China is building, but that would never make it past our safety standards in the US.