I’ve driven a zf8speed for a while and it’s pretty great, more fun to shift a bunch with the shorter ratios it makes you feel like the car is actually fast. But I work Amazon and these ford transits have a 10speed.
My issues are:
1)it always over up shifts. It never uses second gear ever. It will always go to 3rd and you’ll be in fking 4th by 12mph. So I find that it has to constantly down and upshift when I need the slightest bit of power which coming from driving manuals just feels bad. Like bro stop working so hard just wait to shift till 2.5k rpm. Im always hitting the gas then if I have to let off for one second even on a big uphill it will just upshift to like 6th or seventh. And then all the way back to 3rd one second later when I need to power up the hill again.
- this is the biggest issue imo, the final gear ratio doesn’t even reduce rpm comparitevely to my 8speed at say 80mph the revs are almost the same. Bro if your gonna add two gears make it the same ratio as the 8 with two extra so I’m at like 1k rpm on the highway. Why bother with the 10 speed if I’m still gonna be at 2.5k rpm at 80mph.
Ok random rant over, this is what happens when you drive on vehicle too often for an annoying job. You start really nitpicking everything that gets slightly on your nerves lol
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definitely
10 speeds improve engine life and MPG. They are not meant to improve acceleration.
My 10 speed is really a 7 speed with three overdrive gears.
10 Speeds are good but it all depends on the programming. I’ve been in GM Products that had the 10 Speed and it shifted smoothly and quickly while the Ford version was clunky and confused a lot of the time, I rented a ‘22 Explorer earlier this year with the 2.3 4/10 Speed combo and it never knew what gear to get into and was very unrefined which is saying something given that my daily is a ‘16 Passat with the 6-Speed DSG and I also had a 2004 Explorer with only 5 speeds
I drove a Ford Transit for 5 years and the transmission made me want to kill myself. We all drove them in manual mode only because of exactly what you are complaining about. It’s in 6th gear going 40km/h
I think the problem is you’re driving transmissions tuned for efficiency and expecting them to perform like Porsches.
Agreed 10 speeds is too many. My Fusion has a six speed automatic and that seems plenty . My old pickup has a 4 speed (4.5 if want to call the torque converter locking up) automatic.
I always thought the point of more gears was improving fuel efficiency. Not providing power. My pickup is plenty quick with only 4 gears.
10 speed in my Accord is great imo
Is this an issue of having too many gears or is it an issue of lousy transmission programming?
Had a 2015 Evoque for a while that had the ZF-9HP. It too always started off in 2nd, leaving you 8 highway gears. 1st was only used when you went into one of the offroad modes or manually shifted it. It worked well except I hated the 4-5 shift in that transmission because it used a dog clutch and was always very rough and also had an odd ratio.
IIRC about the same time Jeep had used that same transmission in one of their small crossover chassis but it also had a taller gear in the differentials and it always started in 1st, but because the engine didn’t have enough power to spin the final ratio once it went into 9th gear it would cause something to go wrong (I forget exactly what, maybe stall the engine on the highway?), so they had thousands of them sitting on lots waiting for a software update that would permanently lock them out of ever using 9th gear.
I literally have no idea what you are talking about as a former Camaro owner. It was basically always ready to go. lightning fast shifts. the problems you mention just straight up didn’t exist.
The shifts are very fast, my issue was the programming. For specifically delivery driving it just upshifts too quickly. When I’m weighed down it will over upshift to like 4th by 15mph and I either have to bog the engine or almost floor it to get it back to 2nd. It ends up being a constant shift fest where as soon as it upshifts back to 5th or 6th I immediately need it back in 3rd. To the point where I just keep it in manual now so I can force it to stay in the power band for longer than .5 seconds
Agreed the 10L80 in my ZL1 is clunky as hell especially when the trans is cold on a cool day. It will genuinely hold gears for over a second at times and the downshifts sometimes feel like your going to headbutt the steering wheel. Not to mention my mpg is already shit so it really doesn’t benefit much at all. Best experience auto wise ive had were DCT eight and seven speeds by a long shot.
Gotta agree. Got an e92 m3 right now with the 7spd dct. So much fun. Woulda loved a manual but there were precisely two for sale on the whole west coast in the 6 months leading up to my purchase and it was a daily driver anyway
I drove a Mustang with the 10-speed auto, it was garbage. The car was fast, but the shifting was constant and annoying.
Yea it always feels bad. Like maybe they just built these things to shift 5x what they used to to squeeze that extra 5mpg during the test
I wish they would start selling classic 90s 4-speed torque converter automatic transmissions again. I would buy a car like that in a heartbeat.
They are smooth and they slush the gears together. But at the same time, due to only having 4 gears, the engine has to Rev, which sounds awesome.
I don’t know why they don’t provide a classic 4 speed torque converter option in most cars nowadays.
All you get is horrible CVTs, boring DCTs and laughable automated manuals.
There are still classic torque converters in some cars with 6 or 8 speeds like you mentioned, but they aren’t what they used to be.
I mean it’s pretty clear especially being a California resident that it’s to keep mpg averages down over the fleet. And agreed the zf8 is great but so soulless. Gotta disagree on dcts tho. I have an e92 m3 and whoooo boy those downshifts are so nasty cuz it actually gives gas to downshift unlike torque converter automatics
Unpopular opinion: I actually want to see more single speed hybrids. Koenigsegg did it, why can’t other manufacturers?
But as a car enthusiast I would love to see that idea
Don’t you need a lot of power to get that going though? May as well just use full electric and skip that step