• MintichlorianChip@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    This is an unsophisticated operation. We should have a mini version of a traffic control center- multiple screens, technologies and angles to quickly decipher. It is easily possible. This is a few guys interpreting things in a rushed fashion. Game has to move on yes, so every angle needs to be ready to go instead of them marking possibilities and points of failure with multiple humans hurredly

  • Ballboy2015@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    Hitting people from the back in any conext is totally illegal as far as I’m concerned. Especially when the first contact by the aggressor comes from some part of their body above the waist. In my experience I’ve had guys who were in a full sprint come up behind me while I was jogging in the box looking past the goal to where the ball is, and they throw up a forearm or elbow to decelerate themselves using my spine as a cushon. In these situations you get direct contusions from the initial blow, and sometimes whiplash and cervical injuries because you can’t see it coming. I think when any adult does this it is borderline assault, and should not be a part of the game at all.

  • Britstuckinamerica@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    What an awful headline, written in the typical Daily Mail style. Howard Webb “admitting” something doesn’t mean anything; the man has been retired for years and is simply a TV pundit. It was a bad call and bad process, but I see no reason to promote the Daily Mail here

  • iSuperfusionzx@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    I’ll say all day the goal should have stood. This is a clear red card though and I have no idea how neither the ref nor VAR gave it.

  • HonMaguro@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    All these retrospective comments are useless, only make us more grieved.

    Start by giving post match punishments and make these more harsh than what they would get during the matches. Give Bruno 6 matches ban for this.

    • Coolguyliamf@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      Lol, Bruno should be punished more heavily for a refereeing error than he would be if he got sent off in game.

      Havertz 6 games too?

    • serennow@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      Considering the unbiased panel (rather than Arsenal fans£ decided this was 3-2 and Havert 5-0, and you want a 6 game ban for Bruno I’m sure you’ll also be arguing for a much longer ban for the much clearer red……

    • sidvicc@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      was it carded during the game?

      If not there should be a retrospective red-card/ban for this. I didn’t watch the game but the longer footage (which shows him miss a sliding challenge and then go back in for the elbow) is damning…

  • slinkymello@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    Look, he didn’t use his arm as a weapon, so what complaint can anyone really have? Lol, I’m joking, but in my head I am imagining Bruno G severing his arm, putting some barbs on it, and proceeding to beat people with it

  • ssddeae@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    and the glorious panel of 5 a week later voted this 3-2.

    2 people didn’t vote this as a red card.

    such stupidity that you’d be naive to not consider corruption.

    • DrCocktapus@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      They all knew it was a red, they wanted it to look like less of a fuck up.

      Same reason they pretended the Havertz one should’ve also been a red.

      Damage control for match fixing.

    • PotatoWifi@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      They all agreed it was a red, 2 of them didn’t think it was a clear and obvious error for the referee to overturn his original decision

      Fwiw him and Jorjinho should’ve been off. But that’s the decision the panel actually made.

  • WerhmatsWormhat@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    And this is after everyone was giving them credit for the process on the one they released. Clearly they just release the one that looked better. It’s all a PR exercise.

  • hamzanasir_gt@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    just checked the flair. still crying. i bet they will keep on crying about it till the end of season.

  • BoundlessBob@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    VAR and refereeing in general could be easily improved by an automated software that simply asks the referees about the situation they are reviewing.

    Literally just a screen that asks: What are you reviewing? Check all that apply.

    Foul? Offside? Unsportsmanlike Conduct?

    Then based on what they’re reviewing, each team member reviews one aspect.

    Handball? -> Did the ball hit the arm below the shoulder (or whatever the rule they’re using is)? -> Was the arm extended from the body ? -> Was the arm in a natural position? -> Was the arm in movement? -> Blah blah blah you get the point.

    At the end of the process it spits out a quick list of potential options and the refs make a decision that has been assisted by the software. And then, because we know what refs are like, it’ll ask them if they’ve checked for obvious errors. “Are you sure you reviewed the right player? Are you sure you want this onside goal to be overturned? Are there any players having their hair pulled by Cristian Romero?” etc.

    Oh and train people in this process, so that the VAR team can be composed of individuals who are not mates with Anthony Taylor.

  • Wide_Challenge3880@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    It’s embarrassing.

    No clear protocol.

    No professionalism calling each other by their nicknames.

    No technical language at all.

    Could you imagine a rugby referee describing something as ‘not nice’?

    • Nw5gooner@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      Honestly if they announced they were giving all VAR roles over to bunch of professional rugby referees along with a handbook of the rules of football I would be over the fucking moon.

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    Just a reminder that Tomiyasu got a yellow card for taking 8 seconds on a throw in and got a yellow for an Ayew dive which led to him being sent off against Crystal Palace

    Meanwhile Bruno received one yellow all game for elbowing Jorginho in the back of the head, pushing him in the back off the ball, choked Declan Rice and shoving Fabio Vieira in the face.

    Best league. Worst refs.

    • CaptZizoo@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      Completely agree with the first two things about Bruno but choked Declan rice and shoving Fabio viera in the face is abit of a reach lol

    • JoePoe247@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      Just a reminder that arsenal got a yellow for knee high studs up flying tackle at full speed while Newcastle got triple the punishment for saying the ref was wrong.

    • serennow@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      Just a reminder that Havertz launched himself studs up at shin height and 3 Newcastle players, including the 1 that alarmist had his career ended, got yellows for it. Officially, and unbiasedly, a much worse decision.

      Then later when multiple Arsenal players surrounded the ref, including 8 of them for the correctly seated goal, no yellows.