What? Can we stop using this stupid as fuck term already? They’re just fucking fascists. Empowering religious institutions are a core of fascism and not some unique Christian thing
I’m of the opposite opinion. General use of highly specific terms just make y’all look like twats to less-involved people. Then there’s the fact that highly specific names often get treated like an attack on BOTH groups by people with crap critical thinking skills.
Remember that KISS still applies to political discussion and is a good rule. Even idiots and the poorly educated are entitled to a vote so it’s better to keep things closer to the common denominator.
Hmmm I think, but you want to hear a plot twist. Although post COVID there may be many moving more towards a collective thinking there is also the issue of group narcissism.
That anyone who is against the current group-think that we believe promotes social harmony, or promotes an agenda or idea that can be misinterpreted as anti social, or dangerous to the “harmonious” function of society can also apparently be considered a fascist or communist. Let’s not fall into that trap
I mean Israel’s main allies in the US are christofascists because of their stupid doomsday cult prophecy that for some reason nobody ever feels like calling them out on
Well… zionism is a Christian thing, first and foremost - it’s an idea that originated amongst British Christian movements in the 1840s. Like all right-wing ideology, it pretends to be far older than it actually is.
Unironic sheeple posting and calling Israel christofascist? You can’t expect to be taken seriously.
I like Umberto Eco’s 14 signs of ur fascism as a functional definition - what definition are you using? I ask because Eco’s certainly isn’t descriptive of the Biden administration.
Seems to me that we have 2 “christofasist” countries, and at best, one isn’t Christian, while the other isn’t fascist.
Seems to me that we have 2 “christofasist” countries, and at best, one isn’t Christian, while the other isn’t fascist.
The one is Zionist - which has always been a decidedly Christian idea - and the other is the most prolific sponsor of fascist terrorism in world history. Sooooo… take your pick.
The one is Zionist - which has always been a decidedly Christian idea
The idea of a Jewish homeland in Palestine is a distinctly Jewish idea, which has been adopted by specifically evangelical Christians. An alignment of values or similarities doesn’t make them the same thing. You’re not a Nazi because you and Hitler drank water, Jews aren’t Christian because they’re Zionist, and Israel definitionally can’t be christofasist because it’s not Christian.
the other is the most prolific sponsor of fascist terrorism in world history.
You’re using the term fascism in contradiction to the definition I’ve provided without putting forward an alternative - this is nonsense. Sponsoring fascism also isn’t indicative of a nation being fascist anymore than propping up Saudi Arabia and Israel makes the US Sunni or Jewish. What definition of fascism are you using that’s descriptive of the Biden administration - it’s certainly not Umberto Eco’s definition.
The idea of a Jewish homeland in Palestine is a distinctly Jewish idea
I hate to be the one to break it to you, genius - Zionism is an invention of antisemitic Christians. We have dates, you know - Christian Zionism predates Jewish Zionism by at least two decades.
You’re using the term fascism
Which part of…
the other is the most prolific sponsor of fascist terrorism in world history.
Not at all - you’ve dumbed things down far enough that your response is little more than nuh-uh. When I’ve called out why your points are dumb and obviously wrong, you’ve just insisted you’re right rather than giving any kind of argument or evidence.
Zionism is an invention of antisemitic Christians. We have dates, you know - Christian Zionism predates Jewish Zionism by at least two decades.
Citations needed
Judaism draws its name from the kingdom of Judea, the capital of which was Jerusalem - in the iron age. The Torah says that Israel is a God-given inheritance of the children of Israel (the Jewish people), Sabbatai Zevi tried to settle the Jews in Gaza in the 17th century, and white the modern Zionist movement was certainly in no small part a response to antisemitism, I think you’re going to need to show how it was a Christian invention.
Which part of… the other is the most prolific sponsor of fascist terrorism in world history…are you having trouble comprehending?
The bit where the US meets the definition of fascism - I’ve already explained in terms an idiot can comprehend that sponsoring fascism doesn’t make you fascist any more than sponsoring Israel makes you Jewish.
So again, you’re insisting Israel is christofascist and that the US is christofascist. Both are laughable.
Your sad attempts to substirute alt-history for the real thing doesn’t qualify as “calling out,” genius.
Citations needed
It’s mundane history. It’s so damn mundane you can find it on wikipedia. The early role Christian Zionism played in shaping the homocidal nationalist aspect of Zionism is pretty mundane, too.
Here’s a choice quote for you:
Contemporary Israeli historian Anita Shapira suggests that England’s Zionist evangelical Christians “passed this notion on to Jewish circles” around the 1840s, while Jewish nationalism in the early 19th century was largely met with hostility from British Jews.
Gee… I wonder why Jewish people in Britain was hostile to the idea of antisemitism forcing them from their actual homeland for some antisemitic and colonialist fairy tale in the middle-east, eh?
Sabbatai Zevi tried to settle the Jews in Gaza
Jewish people moving to Palestine isn’t Zionist on it’s own, Clyde - I guess the fact that Jewish people have been present in the middle-east since forever is also (somehow) proof that Zionism is a Jewish idea, eh?
The bit where the US meets the definition of fascism
So, again - which part of…
the other is the most prolific sponsor of fascist terrorism in world history.
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What? Can we stop using this stupid as fuck term already? They’re just fucking fascists. Empowering religious institutions are a core of fascism and not some unique Christian thing
Umberto Eco wrote this
I believe you can have a secular fascism. There is a current of that in France for example. There’s no harm in being more specific.
I’m of the opposite opinion. General use of highly specific terms just make y’all look like twats to less-involved people. Then there’s the fact that highly specific names often get treated like an attack on BOTH groups by people with crap critical thinking skills.
Remember that KISS still applies to political discussion and is a good rule. Even idiots and the poorly educated are entitled to a vote so it’s better to keep things closer to the common denominator.
Hmmm I think, but you want to hear a plot twist. Although post COVID there may be many moving more towards a collective thinking there is also the issue of group narcissism.
That anyone who is against the current group-think that we believe promotes social harmony, or promotes an agenda or idea that can be misinterpreted as anti social, or dangerous to the “harmonious” function of society can also apparently be considered a fascist or communist. Let’s not fall into that trap
I mean Israel’s main allies in the US are christofascists because of their stupid doomsday cult prophecy that for some reason nobody ever feels like calling them out on
Well… zionism is a Christian thing, first and foremost - it’s an idea that originated amongst British Christian movements in the 1840s. Like all right-wing ideology, it pretends to be far older than it actually is.
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Unironic sheeple posting and calling Israel christofascist? You can’t expect to be taken seriously.
I like Umberto Eco’s 14 signs of ur fascism as a functional definition - what definition are you using? I ask because Eco’s certainly isn’t descriptive of the Biden administration.
Seems to me that we have 2 “christofasist” countries, and at best, one isn’t Christian, while the other isn’t fascist.
This guy got my point. Neoliberals might suck, but they’re not fascists (just enablers)
The one is Zionist - which has always been a decidedly Christian idea - and the other is the most prolific sponsor of fascist terrorism in world history. Sooooo… take your pick.
Words have meaning, my guy.
The idea of a Jewish homeland in Palestine is a distinctly Jewish idea, which has been adopted by specifically evangelical Christians. An alignment of values or similarities doesn’t make them the same thing. You’re not a Nazi because you and Hitler drank water, Jews aren’t Christian because they’re Zionist, and Israel definitionally can’t be christofasist because it’s not Christian.
You’re using the term fascism in contradiction to the definition I’ve provided without putting forward an alternative - this is nonsense. Sponsoring fascism also isn’t indicative of a nation being fascist anymore than propping up Saudi Arabia and Israel makes the US Sunni or Jewish. What definition of fascism are you using that’s descriptive of the Biden administration - it’s certainly not Umberto Eco’s definition.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, genius - Zionism is an invention of antisemitic Christians. We have dates, you know - Christian Zionism predates Jewish Zionism by at least two decades.
Which part of…
…are you having trouble comprehending?
Not at all - you’ve dumbed things down far enough that your response is little more than nuh-uh. When I’ve called out why your points are dumb and obviously wrong, you’ve just insisted you’re right rather than giving any kind of argument or evidence.
Citations needed
Judaism draws its name from the kingdom of Judea, the capital of which was Jerusalem - in the iron age. The Torah says that Israel is a God-given inheritance of the children of Israel (the Jewish people), Sabbatai Zevi tried to settle the Jews in Gaza in the 17th century, and white the modern Zionist movement was certainly in no small part a response to antisemitism, I think you’re going to need to show how it was a Christian invention.
The bit where the US meets the definition of fascism - I’ve already explained in terms an idiot can comprehend that sponsoring fascism doesn’t make you fascist any more than sponsoring Israel makes you Jewish.
So again, you’re insisting Israel is christofascist and that the US is christofascist. Both are laughable.
Your sad attempts to substirute alt-history for the real thing doesn’t qualify as “calling out,” genius.
It’s mundane history. It’s so damn mundane you can find it on wikipedia. The early role Christian Zionism played in shaping the homocidal nationalist aspect of Zionism is pretty mundane, too.
Here’s a choice quote for you:
Gee… I wonder why Jewish people in Britain was hostile to the idea of antisemitism forcing them from their actual homeland for some antisemitic and colonialist fairy tale in the middle-east, eh?
Jewish people moving to Palestine isn’t Zionist on it’s own, Clyde - I guess the fact that Jewish people have been present in the middle-east since forever is also (somehow) proof that Zionism is a Jewish idea, eh?
So, again - which part of…
…are you having trouble comprehending?
I see you. Christofascism has been around since 1970. I also understand their disagreement. It’s a preference.