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Biggest indicator of a team being in the trenches is when they start comparing their manager to Arteta and his slow start at Arsenal, without using any context
Arteta has plan for years. When we are learning our system, the manager must be strong on how he wanted to play the football. Even when we are losing, we are learning. We keep playing that style of football even when it cost us the win. It is not a problem because we are learning.
Second thing is, when we were losing during learning phase, there will be outside voice. Voice of people who don’t understand why we keep doing even when we lose. Manager must keep strong on his believe on the style. Not reverting to the comfort zone.
ETH, did not do this during learning phase. He keep reverting to the comfort zone (counter attacking football), whenever they feel they cannot do it. This is bad for learning and didn’t promote growth. Only promote doubt for the system.
Do not compare ETH and Arteta. Durinh learning phase, Arteta never lose faith in the way we play even when we face loses. We learn, we grow. The arsenal now would not exist without the lost on the seasons below. People must understand that
One thing I love watching from outside my club is how fans turn on managers that could have helped lol. They did well last season and if it takes one fall to get rid of a manager, I’m all for it. That club hurt my feelings for a while and they deserve instability lol.
They have problems that are clearly visible and can be solved.
Ten Hag’s problem so far is talent ID but even with his scraps, he has the right ideas.
Early Arteta years were pretty bad but the big difference between that and Ten Hag/other managers is probably in terms of what their communication with the owners/board is like. We couldn’t see it but it is clear in hindsight that Arteta had a clear plan from the start ant the board was in the loop throughout. Quotes like “we’ll never play football like Ajax” does not give confidence that the manager is still following his plan.