What i mean is someone that is an incredible player that’s very popular and has won a ton of awards but hasn’t been able to win a championship.
For active players, maybe James Harden is the closest (lots of accolades, no chip). But I don’t think the talent level is comparable between them, Ohtani is insane.
Except Harden is a one-way player that doesn’t play defense
That’s Mike Trout, not Ohtani yet.
Ohtani is definitely over Trout at this point. Ohtani has been 1st ,2nd, and 1st in WAR the last 3 seasons. And it took Aaron Judge having a historically great season to edge him out in 2022.
I just mean as a guy who has won a ton of awards without playoff success.
Trout has played 13 seasons, Ohtani has only played 6.
Nobody. Ohtani is a unicorn.
So Tingus Pingus is the Ohtani of the NBA. Got it
There is no comparison in recent memory. I was gonna say Luka, but he made a WCF.
Basketball is more individually talent driven than Baseball is, and individual talents at the level of Ohtani wouldn’t have six consecutive playoff misses with all being below .500 seasons. It just doesn’t happen. Not that it’s Ohtani’s fault.
Shohei Ohtani is like a combination of Jokic on offense and Ben Wallace on defense. No comparison.
He isn’t close to either of those guys on either side of the ball. He’s elite at both, but not all-time great like those guys were/are
who?
Shohei Ohtani is a very popular japanese baseball player that is seen as a generational talent because of how much he has accomplished in his young career but he has yet to play a game in the finals because he’s in a very mediocre team.
Doesn’t exist but Jordan probably the closest thing
Maybe Luka?
Rudy Gobert
wemby
Since Ohtani is a “two-way” player in the MLB, I consider someone like Kawhi or Paul George as the Shohei Ohtani, but Kawhi has a ring so I guess PG-13 or someone like Jimmy Butler who can accel at both offense and defense.
The most popular player internationally without a title? Luka.
maybe Yuta Watanabe?
The weird thing about the comparison is that Ohtani has 2 things he’s top 10 or so in (batting and pitching). If you correlate batting and pitching to having unique offensive skills (e.g. scoring + playmaking) then Harden, Nash, Steph, etc. are pretty close comparisons. The issue is that someone being a top 10 scorer and playmaker in basketball is significantly more common than someone being a top 10 pitcher and batter.
The same goes for if you correlate pitching and batting to offense and defense. In the last 30 years alone Kawhi, Kobe, Duncan, Hakeem, DRob, KG, CP3, Pippen, Jordan, Dwight, Bron, etc. all could qualify as being top 10 in offense and defense at some point.
I just don’t think the comparison works.
You cant correlate baseball to anything
Its the nature of having super specialised sports. Being able to do more than 1 thing is an expectation in 90% of non-american sports
The only correlation that makes sense is offense and defense in a somewhat relation to baseball.
genuine question, what are some other things in baseball you can be top 10 at besides pitching and batting? probably something along the lines of baseball IQ but what else?
You can split pitching and hitting even further. Top 10 power pitcher vs finesse. Power hitter vs spray hitter.
No one. Ohtani has an argument for GOAT. No one currently in the NBA, at that young age, has a case. The closest is Luka, Jokic or Giannis, and that’s if they start/continue winning.
Wemby has a chance, I get wanting to act all cautious like we have to see him play in the league blah blah, but the only way you’d reach the impact that Ohtani has is with freak outlier physical gifts like wemby. So healthy best case scenario wemby if he wins multiple chips and racks up some mvps and dpoys.
Is Ohtani going to leave the Angels? A generational talent was wasted by them
A generational talent was wasted by them
I mean… they’ve already wasted another generational talent, so hey.
Imagine having two of the greatest players of all time on a team together in LA of all places and still consistently miss the playoffs.
The closest is Luka, Jokic or Giannis, and that’s if they start/continue winning.
Winning takes them further away to an ohtani comparison, not closer
No that’s not the point. The GOAT is perceived differently in MLB than it is in the NBA. You don’t necessarily need wins in order to get into the GOAT discussion in baseball, mainly due to how much less of an impact a single player has on a baseball team. It’s more about how individually great the player is. Whereas in the NBA, there’s a lot more team success needed in a GOAT debate, due to how much an individual can impact the game. So my point is about how Giannis/Jokic/Luka compares to Ohtani. Even if Ohtani doesn’t win a World Series, he’ll go down as one of the top tier GOATs in baseball. The same can’t be said for the basketball trio. They need to win in order to be a top tier GOAT.
Peak wise, I think Ohtani has to be the greatest ever right? But I think due to his injury history and age, I doubt he will be in the GOAT conversations.
Really depends on how well he performs once he comes back tbh
Really wanna see how insane Ohtani’s hitting will be now that he’ll focus on that for a year or two. And he’ll surely be on a contender.
Either him or babe ruth