• portmz@fediverser.communick.devB
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    11 months ago

    “It should have been a goal”. Why? He was offside. Just because was close? So where we draw the line between close enough and offside? Also, this is the semiautomatic system and only took less than 30s.

    People are always complaining.

      • Next-Oven4964@fediverser.communick.devB
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        11 months ago

        Are you implying you can only score using your feet? Because what if the person is offsides in the Box and they win a header for a goal but their feet were behind the defenders like in this photo. It’s still offside because you can score with any part of your body, aside from your hand and arm.

    • Groovy0ne@fediverser.communick.devB
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      11 months ago

      This!

      With binary decisions like onside / offside you need to draw a line at some point.

      “But it was so close. They should only call clear situations offside.”

      This is clear! Head is partly offside. What do you want then to be ‘clearly offside’? 5 cm? Or 10 cm? Then we will have discussions once somebody is 11cm offside.

      So when we have to draw a line let’s draw it where it fucking belongs – at 0 cm.

      • IntrepidCartoonist29@fediverser.communick.devB
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        11 months ago

        Then we will have discussions once somebody is 11cm offside.

        No because he won’t be 1cm offside he will be 11cm offisde, if I’m doing 56mph on a speed trap which the limit is 50mph with a tolerance of 10%, i’m not 1mph above the limit, i’m 6.

  • tttttfffff@fediverser.communick.devB
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    11 months ago

    As the laws of the game stand it is offside, however I do feel like it should be measured from the feet. I know you can score with your head, but there is always going to be a certain amount of lean while sprinting. Arms/shoulders shouldn’t come into play because a defender on the half turn is going to have their arm out for balance as they’re turning (shown in the photo). I’d prefer feet as the point of measure, but from the current rules it is offside. Fine margins at such high speed though.

    • Huwbacca@fediverser.communick.devB
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      11 months ago

      yeah, I would prefer offside being like.

      It’s based on the feet, and for VAR to overrule the onfield decision, the foot must be at least a set distance past the last foot of the defender to account for margin of error.

      I don’t want to see any umming and ahhing about “oh, it’s milimeters off”, if it’s like… Less than 5cm, it’s onfield decision, especially if that distance could fall within the system’s margin for error.

      Follow the way cricket does it for LBW reviews. The ball tracking must show over half the ball hitting/missing the stumps for it to be overturned, otherwise the onfield decision stands.

      I feel that technology in sports work best when used to prevent clear mistakes in onfield judgements, not when used to split hairs on technicalities. Ruby has a great approach, onfield referee will say “Onfield decision is try, can you check for forward pass/grounding/whatever… Is that clear evidence to over-turn the try?”

      I feel like football is too into trying to provide clear evidence to uphold the onfield decision, when that should be the default and it should be clear evidence to overturn otherwise you’re stuck forever in margin calls where no outcome can be clearly upheld.

    • Larkinz@fediverser.communick.devB
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      11 months ago

      it should be measured from the feet

      This. They should look at feet only, that seems like the most fair. And to add to that I’d say one foot of the attacker would have to be behind a defender’s foot in its entirety for it to be offside, not just a toe.

  • Tof12345@fediverser.communick.devB
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    11 months ago

    I’m sorry but this is ridiculous. If you think for a second that offside was implemented to stop these types of goals, you’re anti football. Vini had almost zero advantage here. There needs to be a small buffer between lines.

    • simianjim@fediverser.communick.devB
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      11 months ago

      There already is a buffer. In this image you’ve got about 6/7 inches from the attacker’s shoulder to the end of their sleeve, which is the furthest forward point that they’d use to draw the attacker’s line in this instance.

  • MrFabianS@fediverser.communick.devB
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    11 months ago

    The call is obviously a correct one. My personal belief is that the laws of the game in conjunction with the technology we have should change to allow these plays to stand and count as goal. It’s frustrating to see such offsides like this stand when the reality is the attacker isn’t gaining an actual advantage with the 3 inches of space

  • ilkat06@fediverser.communick.devB
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    11 months ago

    This is utter bullshit. If a player is a fine margin in front of someone and gives basically 0 advantage, it shouldn’t be considered offside period. But who am I kidding that will never be enforced, remember Argentina vs Saudi last year? Cancelled goal due to an arm being over the line, absolute joke.

  • tarekelsakka@fediverser.communick.devB
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    11 months ago

    It feels like VAR and refereeing in Europe are better than in some top leagues, the amount of shitty mistakes even using that same fucking technology in La Liga & EPL is unbelievable.

    • simianjim@fediverser.communick.devB
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      11 months ago

      They don’t use the same technology. This screenshot is from the semi-automated VAR system used by the Champions League. Not sure about La Liga, but the Premier League don’t use the semi-automated system, it’s completely manual.