look what you’ve unleashed yogthos
To be fair it’s always fun to dunk on bad faith libs saying communism has never worked and then ten minutes later trying to claim they’re a communist lol
common yogthos W
That whole comment thread makes me amazed this site is free lol. o7 to our glorious posters.
5 comments on Hexbear, 130 on grad is wild
Oh, .ee defederated from Hexbear? I thought it was just .world.
I think it was the other way around. Not that it particularly matters.
Is ee defederated? I can still see all of hexbear’s comments.
Yes, HB can’t see EE posts.
Ah that’s shame.
Why?
Anarchists will really try to rip us apart for being “authoritarian”, but when you ask them how their system would deal with crimes, upholding socialism, or maintaining any semblance of order, their responses are almost always far more extreme than ours.
Genuinely had an Anarchist call me an “evil person” and a “future baby killer” for saying that I’m ML. Then when I asked them about their proposed methods for preventing counter-revolution, they described a system where anyone can murder anyone else if the victim was suspected of wanting to act against the revolution. No trial, no investigation, just the word of the murderer.
Edit to add another thought to; “their responses are almost always far more extreme than ours.”
If it’s not more extreme, it’s lax to the point of being nothing. So the poles are either a system of total chaos, or substanceless idealism.
Also worth noting that power structures will arise whether you plan on it or not. All that happens extroverts and narcissists will naturally gravitate into positions of power when there isn’t an explicit process to decide who should be in charge. This is a fantastic read on the subject https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm
Bro, you have to be trolling
Nope, just educated. We’d be happy to explain it to you if you’re interesting in understanding the meme.
Nearly all MLs I’ve seen considering China Communist convinces me you’re not educated.
Reading Mao and Deng’s Selected Works only for a smug liberal to call you uneducated, the struggle is real
Right 😭😭😭😭 like damn guess it’s time to pack it up
So you’re not interested in learning why people will say things like that? Enjoy being a smug dumbass then.
China’s workers don’t control the capital, live under a dictatorship, and corporations do most of their manufacturing in China. They’re as socialist as the national-socialists.
You have shown no interest in listening to us, so I am not going to waste my time talking to you.
To any lurkers though, this counters their “gotcha” argument quite well: https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/
that was a great read. thank you
Marxism-leninism has routinely been shown to not work. China doesn’t have a command economy or worker-controlled capital. If China’s people were free, they could access the internet. Furthermore, how is secret police a tenet of the Chinese freedom I’ve had shoved down my throat by Marxist-Leninists? Furthermore, how are the Uyghur people bourgeois?
Freedom of a populace is not measured by access to the Internet but rather by what their government does to improve their material conditions, such as housing. I support the freedom to live inside a house, not the freedom to be homeless after a 1000$ misfortune, like in the U.S.
See folks, here we have an example of a liberal who mistakes “repeating something a bunch” for a fact. Sadly, their brain worms are so numerous that they have a terminal case of the “smug” and are incapable of understanding that they could in fact, be wrong or misinformed about something. This is an important cautionary tale to all of us to ensure good mental hygiene before we end up like this poor fellow, who sadly, is beyond help at this point.
Virtually everything you state is false. China does not technically have a command economy, but this is not necessary for socialism in the first place. China engages in plenty of economic planning, far more so than capitalist states. That is precisely why China can build 45,000 km of unprofitable high-speed rail in less than 20 years and install more solar generation capacity than all other countries combined in 2023.
Industries in China are also far more worker-controlled than they are in capitalist states. Estimates for the level of state-ownership range from 20-40%. Much of the remaining “private sector” is composed of worker cooperatives. Search up “Farmer specialized cooperatives”, which comprise of more than 100 million households (not people, households).
As for the Uyghur thing, even western media has largely abandoned that point since it was too easy to see that no one was being killed. I mean, you can buy a plane ticket to Xinjang right now and see for yourself. Now the smarter ones have downgraded it to “cultural genocide”. In a few years, when the Uyghur language and culture will still be around just fine, they will quiet drop the whole topic.
they could access the internet
They can
I think it’s pretty cute that you try to use Marxist terminology without understanding it. I’m sincere 🥰
Have some humillity kid, you think you know more about the subject than us that been reading about this for years? Or more than the actual chinese communists that have been working towards communism for decades? 😂 You literally just read the Wikipedia entries.
I haven’t only read Wikipedia, I’ve read things such as interviews from former Chinese citizens saying that Google was banned, and on their search engine the tiennamen square never existed. Also, how is China becoming more communist? The government getting profits from wage-slavery isn’t becoming more communist, it’s becoming the center of capitalism. Even if the government weren’t making direct profits from wage-labor, they still make profits from things like taxes and corporations buying land. When the government is making profits from capitalism, they won’t go socialist.
I’ve read things such as interviews from former Chinese citizens saying that Google was banned, and on their search engine the tiennamen square never existed.
So what? They banned google as protectionism, this way their infant tech sector didn’t have to compete with an already established monopoly. Now China has their own alternatives to all these google services, and the profits of these industries don’t go to the West but stay in China.
Also, how is China becoming more communist? The government getting profits from wage-slavery isn’t becoming more communist, it’s becoming the center of capitalism. Even if the government weren’t making direct profits from wage-labor, they still make profits from things like taxes and corporations buying land. When the government is making profits from capitalism, they won’t go socialist.
China is in an early stage of socialism, with a primary goal of developing the productive forces. They have introduced market elements into their economy in a controlled manner to accelerate their development of the productive forces. Taxes don’t banish into politicians pockets, financial paradises or into the MIC like in the west, it goes into development.
Communism is a stage of development, you can’t just push a button and become communist, it is a process that takes decades of work and correct policy to build.
No decommodification, no worker owned capital. The US is in an early version of socialism too I guess.
aight little bro tell me how that works out
You see why reading the books is important? Cause you avoid saying dumb shit like this
tiennamen square never existed
I know what you mean. But I am going to take it at it’s litteral value, because it is so much funnier to think that someone said “Tiananmen square doesn’t exist”
tiennamen
not even close, really demolishing your own credibility and claims to have read anything
天安门工厂 is a place, not an event. btw in China it’s called “June 4th Incident” and common knowledge, easily findable on Baidu.
The Tiananmen Square ‘Massacre’: The West’s Most Persuasive, Most Pervasive Lie.
Hyperbole.
And here the smug lib employs the “one word response” tactic, where they ignore everything you’ve said in your attempt to educate them so they can give a snappy comeback, which makes them believe they’ve won the argument.
-checks another one off the bingo list-
You do know the Tiennamen square is the literal most famous place in China right?
It’s the place where there is this supper famous building that is one of the country’s symbol and that almost every content about China ever can’t help but have at least one picture of.So saying that the name of the place is censored in China is completely ridiculous.
As pointed out by others, the event that you are referring to is known in China as the june 4th incident so yes, of course if you type Tiennamen in the search bar you won’t find it, when you look up something on a non-english website maybe try to look up how the thing you’re looking for is called in the site’s language instead of assuming it’s called the same way in english you westernbrained monkey.
It’s literally in the country official coat of arms that is used everywhere lol
Maybe you should do your own research. Open report number 590 on this page: https://www.gov.cn/zwgk/2011-11/09/content_1989024.htm
Oh look, what is it? The report of the State Council published on June 25, 1989 about the protests, from gov.cn themselves!
saying that Google was banned
Oh no how horrible, literally 1997. Can’t live without my google, especially when I don’t have a much better replacement such as Baidu. Nope, don’t exist. Only Google. Well, since 1998 only.
Are you denying that Google is a repository of information. Even duckduckgo is banned. They’re not even close to a monopoly. I’m making the point that they’re restricting information. Also I’d be happy to read article 590 if you could provide me with an English translation.
how is banning Google restricting information and why did you not touch on the State Council report about the 1989 Beijing protests?
It’s one of those hot takes that ends up being true the more you look into it.
MLs are very “authoritarian”… Against the capitalist class
Communists: Wipes out a bunch of fascists
Capitalists: “THEYLL KILL YOU 😡😭”
Always correct.
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No shit, everyone is authoritarian.
This post is authoritarian.
Citizen @wtry@lemm.ee ! For crimes committed against the People’s Republic of Lemmygrad, its people, its institutions, and its Constitutionally-protected dictatorship of the proletariat!
You are at this time accused of the following charges:
- Using AI to craft answers for you!
- Refusing to answer questions by our comrade investigators in the Stasi!
- Upsetting our peaceful order and inciting sedition in our dictatorship of the proletariat!
- Being smugly liberal!
We, the highest court of the People’s Republic of Lemmygrad, sentence you to exile for these transgressions! Your exile is effective now, and is not conducive to a retrial or appeal! The sentence is pronounced!
I really hate libs blurting dumb cia shit about China but I love being on Lemmy and seeing them get dunked on. Makes me feel good inside.
It’s really wild that their whole point was that Google is banned and no one brought up that Bing isn’t.
That’s wierd. Someone once told me that bing is not a very good search engine unless you are looking up very specific porn.
unless you are looking up very specific porn
… I hadn’t thought about it that way before… I guess theres a techno-ecological niche for everything isn’t there…
CriticalResist MVP, you got them to say some of the funniest shit, it was great.
Nobody can say that he wasn’t given ample opportunity and more than reasonable responses prior to his just sentencing.
He got more nuanced feedback in a post in Memes than he probably will ever see again in lemm.ee
