Are we really allowing “like if you agree” here?
Yeah let’s not. There’s absolutely no point to ‘karma whoring’ in the fediverse. That’s what the downvote button is for, even if we agree with the message they’re sending.
Yes this is ridiculous.
I agree with them, although I’m a little bemused by the characterization of Judaism as intending to terrify people into obedience… How do you do that with no religious power structure, no hell and no nebulous punishment for breaking the rules? It’s a religion whose ‘teeth’ are, “Your mother would prefer if you did it.”
Someone never read the old testament
FYI it’s not the “old testament” to Jews, and since there is no God, he hasn’t popped out of the woodwork to have the earth swallow any of us in the last 2,500 years or so… so no one is really worried he’s going to.
You overestimate religious zealots. I know people who cringe if you say “god damn it” as if a lightning bolt will strike instantly. God in the Pentateuch is a major asshole prone to murderous outbursts at the slightest sign of disobediance so yeah, he was definitely supposed to be feared. Jews don’t even say the word god, they say “ha shem” or “the name” instead.
I’m a Jew and I’m saying the word God right now… as with anything else, religiosity varies pretty significantly, but because Judaism is a ethnoreligion and because it places such an emphasis on debate and dialogue, it’s one of the few religions I know of that’s more or less compatible with being an atheist.
There certainly are a ton of Jewish religious fundamentalists (called haredim, folks in the US are probably familiar with “ultra-Orthodox” or ‘hasidic’) but they’re actually the minority, and even they vary widely in their beliefs.
I like the idea of Turkish being a religion… but that’s just Islam I think
Yeah, it is. It was at a time when the Ottoman Empire ruled essentially the entire Muslim world, so it’s reasonable enough in context.
That was my first thought too, maybe the ottoman empire was so big at the time it was essentially synonymous with islam, to a man like Paine in the West. I just looked it up though and it was already in decline by the late 18th century, far from its peak in the 16th and 17th centuries. But it last another ~100-150 years or so after Paine’s death so who knows.
It was already the “sick man of Europe” by the start of the 19th century, but when Paine died it had lost only a couple of slivers of territory to Russia… it wouldn’t lose northwest Africa or Greece for another generation
Thomas Jefferson, the third President of the United States, had complex and sometimes controversial views on religion. He is often described as a deist.
John Adams, the second President of the United States, was a deeply religious individual and held strong Christian beliefs throughout his life. He was raised in a devout Congregationalist (Puritan) household and maintained his religious convictions as an adult.
Thomas Paine, an influential figure during the American Revolution and a key advocate of republican principles, had unorthodox religious views that can be described as Deistic and skeptical of organized religion.
James Madison, the fourth President of the United States, was known for being a man of deep religious conviction. He was raised in an Anglican household and maintained a strong religious faith throughout his life.
This principle was enshrined in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which prohibits the government from establishing a state religion and guarantees the free exercise of religion. Many modern activists claim that the conservatives are trying to enforce their religion on others, when the reality of the situation is that, killing unborn babies is immoral, and people from nearly ALL religions try to evangelize. These activists also don’t realize that they themselves are trying to force a state religion and evangelize, that religion being, LGBTism.
Identity and Belonging: LGBTism often involves a strong sense of identity and belonging. Individuals may find support, camaraderie, and a shared sense of purpose, just as found in religious communities.
Community and Rituals: Both religion and the LGBTism involve communal gatherings, celebrations, and rituals. Both communities often have regular worship gatherings, ceremonies, and festivals that bring people together.
Shared Values and Ethics: Just as religious communities often have shared values, moral codes, and ethical principles that guide their actions, LGBTism also emphasizes certain lack of values and moral codes shared by the community.
Activism and Advocacy: Both religion and the LGBTism have a history of activism and advocacy for social change. Both have been involved in various social justice movements throughout history, advocating for equality, peace, and human rights.
Personal Transformation: Religion often involves personal transformation, spiritual growth, and a journey of self-discovery. Likewise, LGBTism involves a process of self-discovery, self-acceptance, and personal growth.
Accepting gay people as humans with rights isn’t a religion, it’s just basic decency. There is not such a thing as LGBTQism, there is just an ever shrinking space in polite society that is tolerant to bigotry against them. In time bigotry against them will be an automatic disinvitation from polite society.
Calling abortion immoral IS your religious ideology and was generally a weird fringe belief of puritans and Catholics before right wing radicals in America made it the corner stone of their culture wars.
Your attempt to recontextualize the quotes from these people which clearly advocated for the separation of church and state and for not making policy based on religious ideas as somehow being endorsements of any religious ideology is insincere and fails to respect the nature of their beliefs or the words they so clearly stated.
Feel free to create a list of rights which normal US citizens have but gay persons lack…
The immorality of abortion is in almost all religions, not what ever you think my religion is… Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Islam, Christianity, and Catholicism all consider abortion as the harming of another individual. Simply deciding to not follow any religion does not exclude an individual from the laws regarding murder.
The founders of the United States, who were influenced by the Enlightenment era and its ideals of individual rights and religious tolerance, sought to establish a government that would avoid the pitfalls they witnessed in theocratic monarchies of their time. Many of the founding fathers, such as Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and Benjamin Franklin, were well-versed in history and understood the dangers of intertwining religious authority with political power. They had witnessed firsthand the conflicts, oppression, and persecution that arose from state-enforced religious doctrines and the influence of religious institutions on government affairs.
By establishing a secular government, the founding fathers aimed to create a society where individuals could freely practice their faith, or choose not to follow any religion, without fear of persecution or coercion. They sought to prevent the dominance of a single religious group and the potential for religious strife that they had witnessed in Europe. This has allowed for a diverse society with a wide range of religious beliefs to coexist, and it has fostered a culture of religious tolerance and individual freedom that continues to be an important aspect of American society today.
This whataboutism is total BS…the entire GOPq is fascist, racist, and they cater to only to their donor class…which the majority of them are POS religious zealots…which fits their fascist racist theological ideology which is to turn the US into their VS christian jihad…sick of the GOPq and SCOTUS too, who have twisted the constitution to meet their fucked up agenda and to gain and hold on to power at whatever cost! There is absolutely no fucking comparison for what the past PoS president did and continues to do…meanwhile the other scumfucks like Desantis turns FL in DeathSantistan with his BS tactics and agenda…fucking suck and disgusting they way everyone in the GOP treats marginalized US citizens…then they fucking turn around and say they are Patriotic…Not fucking even close… Traitors!
the entire GOPq is fascist, racist
Feel free to create a list of rights which republicans have rescinded. Remember, making a fair and equal playing field for everyone is called equality, “gender affirming care” is just a lib buzz word for “gender denial”, and the ability to murder isn’t a “human right”. So, good luck with that request.
Second request, feel free to create a list of laws which republicans have enacted that are “theocratic”. Abortion restrictions are actually just laws concerning murder. Everyone has access to affordable contraceptives. And there are no widespread “Sunday Blue Laws” that are actively enforced? So, you make it sound like you’re just confused.
Patriotic
Libs will find any excuse to deny their patriotism. “Stolen land” without realizing nearly all land in the world has been stolen at one point. “Built on slavery” without realizing United States was one of the first countries to abolish slavery. The list goes on… Meanwhile, republicans remain patriotic even when the libs are in power screwing everything up.
GOPq is fascist / sick of the GOPq
I’d LOVE to hear why you keep adding a “q” to GOP? Is that like lbgtQism?
Regardless of all that. I sincerely hope that you can find your chill, my friend.
