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Boomer Ragebait TBH
Not just boomers, pretty much anyone who doesn’t understand anything but “gubberment bad”
Theres no need to mandate this. GM already does this for free lol. Its pretty ironic actually, all of the “American” brands actually have this technology while the Japanese and Germans cars dont
Yes but onstar won’t arbitrarily shut you down for driving like a hackass. (Trust me, I drive like a jackass)
It will shutdown your car if you report it stolen or the cops call them, i.e. actively pursuing said vehicle.
Yeah, I’ve heard of OnStar helping a lot of people with stolen cars, after accidents, etc. Not the government taking control of cars from their lawful owners. But it wouldn’t be Reddit if we didn’t spice things up with some paranoia and complaints about America.
Disclaimer: this post in no way meant to encourage people to purchase GM vehicles.
It’s worse, if the cops can do it anyone can do it. It just a matter of finding the keys.
All Onstar equipped vehicles? or only OnStar subscribers
because I know precisely no one that actually pays the subscription
There was a story a while back about a stolen car with a baby in the back seat.
OnStar wouldn’t help because the owner hadn’t paid.Wait, no, that was Volkswagen
OnStar wouldn’t help with a baby locked in a car
This post is like a roller coaster of news.
Yes but onstar won’t arbitrarily shut you down for driving like a jackass.
Neither will this. It’s an alcohol-impairment feature, as per the article and the direct text of the bill itself (Page 403). It doesn’t have anything to do with driving styles.
How would your car know you’re alcohol impaired? What methodology will the car use to determine this? The least invasive one I can think of would be poor driving, weaving in and out of lanes, etc. So it must be monitoring that (or something) and arbitrarily decide that you’re impaired, and shut the car down.
Next they’ll take speeding, I’m sure.
It’s all in how it’s implemented.
In theory, I don’t hate the idea of something that prevents drunk idiots from even starting their car, provided it’s essentially just an immobilizer and does nothing more than force the driver to find a ride.
Personally I think it needs to do one better. It not only needs to force the driver to find another ride but offer options for getting that ride. Drunk drivers are absolutely disgusting, but leaving people stranded is a bit of a liability I would think.
Drunks have been finding ways to get around those things since they’ve been invented. It won’t stop anyone.
Reddit is huge when it comes to members, maybe as many people can try and start a class action lawsuit against the government regarding privacy and safety. Because you know criminals will be coming up with ways to create electronics to do the same thing that police and other government agency’s will be able to do to stop your car while driving!
Thank god I only drive shitboxes
Oh. They got kill switch for those, too.
Nah.
My 2017 manual transmission Mirage has almost no technology in it. And I fucking love it.
Judge me all you want. But I love this car. It’s the best car I’ve ever owned. It has just enough to get the job done and nothing extra.
There’s something uniquely charming about a car that is utilitarian with bulletproof reliability.
I like how they have timing chain and cable clutch. Very simple and robust.
Dude… I’m telling you. People give the car so much shit here. And it’s true it’s slow and not exciting like other cars.
But when I get in that car in the morning… I know for sure I am getting to work that day. It’s literally the most reliable car I’ve ever had.
You aren’t kidding, that thing has a distributor. I haven’t seen that on a car in almost 20 years.
What’s the significance of a distributor if you don’t mind me asking?
Is that good or bad?
It’s not necessarily bad, just old technology. Before you had computer-controlled ignition timing, they used distributors- it’s a small circular thing about the size of a small bowl with a wire lead on a pole that spins around and hits electrical leads spaced around it to trigger the spark plug ignitions. They are pretty simple but they can wear out.
Interesting.
Thanks for the explanation!
2017 is a great year. Even the higher tech cars used 3G for their connectivity, which is dead. So you can still have Apple Carplay / Android Auto, backup cameras, various sensors (to taste), etc, but your car has no way to phone home or get any kind of remote signals from anyone but yourself in the car.
It’s the best 90s shitbox, only it’s from the 2010s!
Wish I nabbed one back when they were selling for like 8-9k usd. I won’t pay full price for one though.
We just call them potholes here.
The Pontiac vibe club is laughing at this.
Fancy way of saying Toyota Matrix
Fancy way of saying Toyota Voltz
Touché
Yes! Your in the club too!
My 2006 would still be going strong if it didn’t have the rust that formed under the top of the windshield
The unibody frame is rusting out on mine. Very sad. I’ve seen some for sale on marketplace with windshield rust issues, weird.
It started raining in the cabin, and it was all down hill from there. I couldn’t chase down the leak, and by the time I found it, the interior was shot. I caulked the windshield, and use it as a trash and lumber hauler now. It’s like a little pickup with all the seats folded down
Wow! also that’s awesome for a hauler!
This article seems a bit biased too… it’s weird. This one claims “AI powered tool to detect impaired driving” but that also doesn’t appear in the bill, so why does the writer bring up the AI boogeyman?
Plus it points out the NHTSA will make the rule (true) but then it somehow extrapolates that to “therefore they’ll make companies give your constant data away to the feds!” which… what? What about the NHTSA implies that?
And then it ends with a rant about the surveillance state. Which like, I’m not a fan of either but it feels like it falls on the side of fearmongering the OTHER direction.
I’m already pissed off the out AI chat/voice monitoring in call of duty. The chat was part of the fun Growing up. This whole nanny state bs needs to stop. If they add crap like this to vehicles I’m going to do every single thing possible no matter the cost to eliminate it.
I mean, it’s not AI powered. Or at least no more an AI than an existing sensor system would be.
But I also never really got the fun of cod so I can’t speak to the monitoring you’re talking about
He’s mad he can’t scream racial slurs or tell people to commit suicide in multiplayer anymore without risk of getting instantly banned?
I have no idea why he thinks that is “fun” - it’s annoying having a bunch of squeaky voiced children screaming obscenities non-stop into their microphones, let alone grown adults.
Oh that kind of monitoring. Yeah I definitely don’t get the fun of that, even when I was an edgy teen (lol) I didn’t.
COD chat way out of left field, but I am all for something that gets drivers in Chicago to stop driving 80 in 35mph zones and killing kids. Too many idiots in cars.
I suspect that you’re exactly the kind of person that system was built to protect everyone against, that you recognize this, and that your distaste for the system stems entirely from your newfound inability to make others miserable rather than any high-minded concerns about privacy and surveillance.
Ah i see you are the person who loves to live by rules and rules and rules. No matter how fucked it can get and new the rules are. Maybe they will turn you into a criminal overnight one day for doing nothing, then we will see how you like it. Keep bending the knees. FYI I dont drink, smoke or do any of that. I truly believe being an American means we should have freedoms. Not fucking babysitters. This is technology that should exist for convicted people, not free people. Keep your dystopian nanny state out of america
Ban high-speed assault cars. Why do you need a car with more than 150 horsepower? These cars have one use case: mass murder.
Ban high-page assault books. Why do you need a book with more than 30 pages? These books have one use case: mass murder.
False equivalents much? How big is your gun boner that you feel the need to bring an argument about gun rights to a comment section about kill switch in a car.
And don’t start with that bullshit “who said anything about guns? I didn’t mention guns.”
Because the gun right debate is the car debate. They are the same debate. The only difference is that one of them has constitutional recognition.
It’s funny that the author looked to the “fact checkers” and they all lied to them. Who believes these supposed fact checker websites anyways?
They didn’t lie, just not everyone is on the same page. One should acknowledge the nuance of the situation. If anything the author’s “gross and dangerous invasion of privacy” is disingenuous. If someone wants to use “kill switch” that loosely, modern cars commonly have at least one kill switch already.
This isn’t even the worst invasion of privacy regarding vehicles in the past month.
SCOTUS voted it’s ok for car manufacturer’s to capture and keep your text / voice messages if you’re using things like Android Auto / Apple Car play.
My exact thoughts when I saw this headline. I guess we’re going to ignore the actual privacy violations of manufacturers taking your phone and location data and selling it. With no opt out option.
If your car was purchased with a loan, lease, or you are driving a rental it already has this. If it isn’t, you can find a way to disable it legally. As is, it’s an obvious public safety measure. Not sure what the problem is.
The police already have the de facto ability to stop your car by force. Isn’t it better for them to stop it without force so fewer innocent people are hurt (including potentially the driver)?
In that article they point out multile news outlets saying this is false, not the first time this happens, there have been videos of many different TV news outlets talking about a story and using exact wording, almost like they were told what to say.
USA Today is one news outlet saying false. Here’s how they worded it, “experts told USA TODAY the bill does not direct a kill switch to be implemented … Rather, the bill in question directs a federal agency to require technology that would detect driver impairment and disable the vehicle in that scenario.” Um, doesn’t that sound like a kill switch?
And furthermore according to the state, they need to be calibrated all the time for $85. I know a guy that had one for years.
Hmmm…. Sinclair media?
Yeah ironically the ‘conspiracy’ here is that super privatized media in the US is much more narrative driven rather than outlets that depend on widespread small donations like NPR.
Npr is left wing democratic blah blah blah
Not true. They show both sides when there aren’t any.
While I donate monthly to my local NPR, the level of journalism NPR puts out for free is so awesome. I’ve listened to every episode of This American Life, Embedded, Serial, and others. Plus the mini series audio releases like S Town and The Kids of Rutherford County are old school, top tier levels of journalism. I can’t know if everything is reported accurately but, goddamn, if it’s not compelling story telling.
I don’t even think Sinclair is the worst offender. I’m pretty sure Gray media has a bigger chokehold
Sinclair owns something like 75% of all local broadcast affiliates.
I believe the actual figure is that they own a local station in 75% of markets. Not as bad as 75% of total stations, but still way too big
For those who don’t know, https://youtu.be/aGIYU2Xznb4?si=2h7Xo4_0cAqzcAQ7
In addition to the privacy issues I don’t have a lot of faith in how this technology will age.
The average age of cars is now 12.5 years. People regularly drive their cars for much longer than that. It might work great when new, but what about 10, 15 or 20 years from now? Are you just going to be stuck in some parking lot because your car thinks you’re drunk?
… I’m not seeing a kill switch in the bill? It says “limit vehicle operation”.
The technology already exists to limit vehicle speed. This is probably what would happen, the car would limit you to 65 MPH.
I could see the vehicle not starting, but there’s no way vehicles will shut down while driving, that’s obviously dangerous.
No they won’t shut off the vehicle, obviously. The ECU will limit engine power gradually over several minutes.
I’m assuming more like limp home mode than 65, or completely disabling the car.
No one is going to argue that ISN’T gross. This isn’t mutually exclusive. We should all be able to agree drunk driving/reckless driving etc. is terrible while also recognizing the Fed is overstepping.