Christ almighty
Did they really need another industry specialists to explain/demonstrate this?
How can the same clarity and professionalism be present in another English sport (Cricket), but not in the far richer PL?
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Player or Umpire Review option, each has distinct hand sign
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Player review capped at 2 per innings, and 15 sec clock after any umpire decision, before the window to challenge it closes
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As soon as sign made, the 3rd umpire controlling DRS (Decision Review System), turns mic on, broadcast to everyone on field and on air: ‘Umpire/Player review for X, Original decision was Y’
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Then conducts video analysis, all the time mic on, on-air. Gives reasoning and decision as per laws of game. Asks on field umpire to reverse or uphold decision, AND on-field screen shows entire process and decision in writing.
You’re telling me no one in professional football ever saw this in professional cricket?
Or does PGMOL not want oversight and responsibility?
Cricket has the advantage of being largely objective. The ball touched the bat or it didn’t. The ball pitched in line or it didn’t. The batsman made his ground or he didn’t. When the tech fails, like spotting if fingers are under a grounded ball, then you still get controversy.
Football has so much subjectivity in the rules that developing a simple system for it is hard. What is a fair tackle, what is excessive force, what is interfering with play, what was a goal scoring opportunity?
It’s not about objective vs subjective rules.
The specific post is about communication howlers in VAR.
It’s about process which tennis, rugby, cricket have all shown for years to be very transparent and meticulous.
Football’s refusal to benchmark and adapt these SOPs is the problem.
Not the fact that a ‘reckless tackle worthy of red vs yellow’ is a subjective call (which it is) - follow a transparent process, mic up, and own your decisions.
PGMOL makes calls and then gives hare brained explanations to protect its ilk.
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Fantastic news. Refs will hopefully erase at least this part of the errormaking that is endemic in the sport.
Got downvoted like hell for suggesting aviation brevity was the answer. Seems I wasn’t full of shit.
When you consider some of the aviation disasters that have happened because of simple communications errors…
3 match ban for all of them for pointing out VAR was wrong
When I was in emergency services, we used the BASS principle (which we nicked from the military).
Brevity
Accuracy
Speed
SimplicityAnd leave no room for ambiguity.
Well done boys, good process.
Thanks dicko
Nice one oli
It’s almost like the technology itself isn’t the issue, it’s more the lack of training surrounding it. Spend the money and have a “war room” as such, like other sports around the world. Means that they have multiple eyes over every game, with both former and current referees in there who know the rules and then have people trained in used the technology and cameras to find the right results, with a clear process that is straightforward to follow.
This is ubsurd, I guess we know why they won’t let us hear the audio. Wonder what are chatting about?
“Hey mate, I’ve got 50 on there being a red card in this game. It’s a bit soft but if you don’t mind giving it, I’ll buy you a pint”
I love the idea that while the whole world is speculating over the intricacies of their decision making and rule interpretation, even questioning whether or not big money fixing is occurring these blokes are just doing ther best to pass the time making silly bets for a laf
I mean it seems more accurate then them being consistently incompetent like they’ve shown for seasons now and never improving anything.
Articles and reports like this doesn’t help either, you have to consult another company to know that they need clarity, accuracy and not to talk about stuff that doesn’t relate to the issue at hand? Surely that should be the basics and done when they brought VAR in and not years down the line.
I’m not a conspiracy theory guy but some conspiracies relating to the PGMOL seem to be more believable then them just being brain dead morons.
I am astonished this wasn’t carried out a long time ago. This is unbelievably amateur. It’s just so obvious!
I got trained in crisis situation management by emergency medical staff, and they freely admit they stole everything they know from airline safety measures.
Airlines are the safest thing in the world and are pioneers in communication skills during stress situations. They more or less invented the checklist and the ‘close the loop’ theory.
It’s not before time that something like the VAR staff, with millions of pounds at stake on every decision, was professionalised.
As someone who has worked in this environment the communication rules are not that complicated.
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Stay calm, do not yell and rush your speech. Speak in clear and concise tones.
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Not cursing, use of slang or use technically and professionally appropriate terms.
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Be clear who you are talking to and who is speaking.
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If you don’t have anything directly relevant to say shut up.
Congrats you can now all work for PGMOL. Now where is my consultancy fee?
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One shite organisation helping another. Got it!
Your poor flying experience(s) is not because of the pilot and their communication with their crew.
You might have had a bad experience flying with BA but thankfully this is not what it’s about
Am I really the only one who thinks the VAR communication is - okay - given the high pressure they’re under?
I would think so.
The audio I’ve heard released so far seems to be akin to the old chimps and typewriters saying.
What about all the other referees in other sports who don’t talk like they’re with their mate at the pub?
I am worried for the BA pilots sanity after talking with the PL refs tbh.
Sad.
Ideal thing would be get Pre-School teachers to help refs communicate clearly.
Guess all that TV money never made it to PGMOL.