• tugtugtugtug4@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    These self-driving car projects were always boondoggles. It always made more sense to work on standardizing road design and pedestrian handling versus trying to build some magic machine learning model that can perfectly manage the total chaos of humans on and around roads. Its like trying to build a program that can predict the outcome of a coinflip every tenth of a second for an hour.

    These failed efforts have really done nothing besides cause regulators to throw up roadblocks and tank public perception for future self-driving tech.

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      10 months ago

      I’m sure they’ve made strides and pushed tech forward, but until a general AI exists that can interpret novel/ incomplete info and make snap decisions correctly and consistently, this tech will never be safe enough.

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      10 months ago

      More than safety, the allure of self driving is that computers could smooth out traffic and speed up starting etc. And that is if the cars themselves can talk to each other.

      If all cars could talk to each other they would be able to accelerate from a red light simultaneously (like a train), greatly decreasing transit times, as well as increasing throughput.

      Same with merging and lane changes, they can be done precisely and smoothly if cars could cooperate. (Zipper merges would be magic)

      Also, because the cars could theoretically know where everyone else is going, the can distribute traffic across multiple routes to optimize overall times.

      And even in an instance where a car, say loses control, all the nearby cars could more easily avoid it without hitting a second vehicle. (and can not just let the car behind it know if it’s braking etc, but all the cars behind it, or even pass on relevant information to cars way behind, like if you get into bumper to bumper traffic, you can redirect vehicles that haven’t yet reached the traffic to reroute before you get there)

      Even parked cars could all start to self adjust to increase parking, or to move out of the way of impact etc

    • OldSchoolSpyMain@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      This problem was solved hundreds of years ago: Trains

      But, that’s boring, though. People throw money at the new shiny stuff.

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        10 months ago

        Trains aren’t cars and cars aren’t trains. They can overlap but they don’t do the same thing. So if we assume we live in a world where cars and personal transportation will continue to exist (it will), innovation of cars will continue to make sense

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          10 months ago

          I’m all for innovation. That’s loosely what I do for a loving. I’m not for rushing to market.

          Trains and light rail are mature products that can also be iterated upon with innovation. Imagine that.

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      10 months ago

      What I find interesting is let’s say everyone had self driving cars in its current form tomorrow. Culturally, the underlying implication is that people are ok with giving up their autonomy with respect to driving their own vehicles. A pure machine learning based system in that scenario wouldnt even be ideal - it seems like it would be better to have a transponder type system where every car transmits their location to each other and to nearby control systems that also help direct traffic and car movement. Of course this means building up more infrastructure around traffic lights, stop signs, highways, wide open stretches of country roads, etc. but it feels like a more solvable and reliable solution than a ML based system, not to mention the fact that if we had 10 companies building self driving cars, every system would have slightly different behaviors

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    10 months ago

    Key issue with self driving cars: They will not move if they detect a human in front of, or behind them.

    Gonna start seeing lots of 3-man road mugging teams deadlocking self driving cars by simply placing a man in front, and another behind, while the third ransacks the driver and interior as the car just sits there following the first law.

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      10 months ago

      How is this a key issue? Most people aren’t driving around with bank vaults. Whatever these so called mugging teams want to steal, it’s easier to do so when the car is empty and parked somewhere.

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    10 months ago

    There is this great self-driving technology I thought of. You put these metal guides on the ground and then chain several cars together for high traffic routes, very safe and the infrastructure cost per additional passenger is extremely low. It’s mysterious that nobody has thought of using this technology before anywhere in the world

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      10 months ago

      Hmmm I wonder if that’s one’a those high speed train deals the kids on the ‘Tok & the ‘Tube talk about