The thing with recreating the players with 3D images instead of using the actual live image is tricky.
If the graphic designer chose generic 3D football boot template #1 instead of #2, the boot design might have been slightly slimmer and therefore not offside.
They shouldnt use 3D modelling to replace players. It’s not accurate. A ball is a ball. Players come in all different shapes and sizes.
This is not football anymore.
Shameful
🤦♂️
pretty clear cut case, 100% offside and this is all in the intention of the rule /s
Thank God it was ruled off. How could the player possibly catch up to Kean after giving up such a head start? Thank you VAR for saving football once again.
Should we say he’s not offside because it’s a bit too close for you
Ranieri goal against you last year was even closer. Why are you complaining only now that it suits you?
Wtf are you on about he’s offside
Oh, look at the “massive advantage” 0.5mm Kean got from this position.
Watching this with my Juventini cousins who are pro-var and they are fuming lmao
It’s so tough because the whole point of VAR in relation to offsides is to be able to determine if something is offside or it isn’t, which in 99%+ of cases you can see. There are these occasions where something is technically offside, like with a sliver of someone’s boot or a tiny part of their shoulder, but it doesn’t feel like it’s really in the spirit of the rule. In those cases though you can’t say that you’ll allow it because offside is meant to be a black or white decision, and if you let these minuscule infringements go you then need to decide where the line is again.
The rule needs to be adapted so that every time someone is called offside everyone can agree that the striker was gaining an advantage.
There really needs to be a buffer zone for offsides calls.
There is no skill here, the defender didn’t make a conscious attempt to play the attacker offside by 5mm, it’s just pure luck.
I’d argue that any advantage an attacker gets inside 30cm is negligible, and hardly worth all this effort to penalise.
At, it feels like we roll the dice to see if a goal stands based on an offside call that neither player knew anything about.
Your proposal doesn’t change anything other than create an even more arbitrary point to argue about.
So that just moves the line 30cm. It doesn’t solve the problem. Imagine this exact same picture except Kean is 31cm past the last defender, the line is drawn at 30cm from the last man. Same problem
Sure in this case that would make this one definitively onside, but like I said there will be a time when a striker is ~30cm past the last defender and the line drawing becomes an issue again
But at least you can say he was well offside, and it would be much easier to take. It changes the narrative and players/fans will feel much less hard done by with tight calls.
"if my team had a goal disallowed because the was 31cm offside, it would be much easier to take.
I remember pre-var there was “same hight”
This is definitely same hight, no offside
i mean you can be pro var and also pro common fucking sense too right
Would you let the goal stand?
The way I see it VAR can (and likely has) be used as a tool to allow more corruption into the sport, by giving people time to decide whether to intervene or not, to officiate in whichever way, gives the outcome they want the highest likelihood to happen, I cannot be pro VAR for this reason alone.
Then you add in the fact goals are scored and people aren’t celebrating, taking joy and excitement out of the sport cannot be a good thing.
Nah not really, often those two things are in direct conflict of each other.
love that when it comes to other fouls there has to be a clear and obvious error and for offsides they have to go down to the exact millimetre
looks offsides
Maybe a dumb question, but what’s the margin of error for VAR?
For offside none. It’s either off or on. Wenger is trying to change it though so the attackers body have to be completely ahead of the defender to be counted as offside
They’re not asking if VAR allows the attacker any leeway in offside calls. They’re asking about the accuracy/precision of the technology in generating these images, the answer to which is that the margin of error hasn’t been publicly disclosed.
“Clearly” as he means it is subjective and adds more bias and uncertainty. It’s much better to be like this where it’s a simple >0.
Presumably though the error is statistically unbiased. Meaning if it could have been less offsides it could equally have been more offsides so in either case the result should stand unless you think it’s biased and within margin of error.
I hate it. Of course it’s hard to draw that line between when this is ridiculous and when it’s ok, but millimetres like this shouldn’t be regarded as offside imo. Earlier there was a thing when close situations like this were pro-attacking and there was not that much pickiness about it
As you can all clearly see, offside technology has improved significantly.
there is a subatomic microscopic particle from his heel which is offside.
With VAR being so exact by the pixel. I think rule needs to change for a least a foot or something.
This is insane. Players play the line all the time and this much hairsplitting effectively stops that since there’s zero margin. There should be some flexibility